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Posted December 27, 2011
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wpegg: Seemed a pretty reasonable response to me. Also seemed a pretty silly question. You know that the publishers control the show. Developers have it hard enough as it is, without having to try kicking publishers into shape.
Extra Credits did a good video about this, and why developers often lose control over their own IP: http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/lets-talk-about-publishing
Post edited December 27, 2011 by rampancy
Posted December 27, 2011
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wpegg: Seemed a pretty reasonable response to me. Also seemed a pretty silly question. You know that the publishers control the show. Developers have it hard enough as it is, without having to try kicking publishers into shape.
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Tantrix: I know the difference, and I know developers have no publishing rights what so ever.
My point was if he could contact EA and ask them to release it on GoG, since EA DID join GoG. I was pointing that out. He has the contacts, the business ones, and just making a call to the EA higher ups would mean a lot.
Agreed. All the fan could do is ask. It's better than nothing.
Posted December 27, 2011
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Tantrix: I know the difference, and I know developers have no publishing rights what so ever.
My point was if he could contact EA and ask them to release it on GoG, since EA DID join GoG. I was pointing that out. He has the contacts, the business ones, and just making a call to the EA higher ups would mean a lot.
Perhaps, but that's not what you said to him. You said "Will you consider rereleasing Alice on GoG", then gave him contact details for GOG. That's a strange way of asking him to contact EA.
Posted December 27, 2011
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Tantrix: I know the difference, and I know developers have no publishing rights what so ever.
My point was if he could contact EA and ask them to release it on GoG, since EA DID join GoG. I was pointing that out. He has the contacts, the business ones, and just making a call to the EA higher ups would mean a lot.
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wpegg: Perhaps, but that's not what you said to him. You said "Will you consider rereleasing Alice on GoG", then gave him contact details for GOG. That's a strange way of asking him to contact EA.
Eh, I suppose I formulated it wrong >_>

Still, I just left the link simply if he was interested. I dunno, but at least leaving the business links was appropiate.
Post edited December 27, 2011 by Tantrix
Posted December 27, 2011
Ea just made a modern port of the first game when MR was was released. Why would they bother with a dosboxed version sold through Gog when they could sell that through origin, if they wanted to sell it ....
Posted December 27, 2011
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Sogi-Ya: Ea just made a modern port of the first game when MR was was released. Why would they bother with a dosboxed version sold through Gog when they could sell that through origin, if they wanted to sell it ....
First Alice is Windows 98 game, not dos :P
Posted December 27, 2011
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Sogi-Ya: Ea just made a modern port of the first game when MR was was released. Why would they bother with a dosboxed version sold through Gog when they could sell that through origin, if they wanted to sell it ....
It was already available on Origin as a preorder bonus for Madness Returns but no longer. Apparently they don't want to sell it. :/
Posted December 27, 2011
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Pemptus: Call me douche as well if you must, but wasn't that a fairly reasonable response from the man? He could've worded it a bit better, I suppose, but feigning enthusiasm and love for the fans would be worse, in my opinion. Getting the same questions over and over again is not fun, believe me.
No it's really not, if you've followed American McGee he's been pretty pro-corporate and anti-gamer for years. His statements about DRM are telling. He's reputably kind of abrasive in person as well. I find his response, while probably being partially accurate, lacked any kind of tact. Seriously, the average fourth grader is more polite than that.

And finally, I'll just call bullshit on the whole "I have no say" thing, his name is attached to the first game (it was advertised as "American McGee's Alice" (sort of like "Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas") and clearly he has a ton of pull at EA. If he gave a shit (and he doesn't) his influence would go a long way towards making it happen.
Post edited December 27, 2011 by orcishgamer
Posted December 27, 2011
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Pemptus: Call me douche as well if you must, but wasn't that a fairly reasonable response from the man? He could've worded it a bit better, I suppose, but feigning enthusiasm and love for the fans would be worse, in my opinion. Getting the same questions over and over again is not fun, believe me.
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orcishgamer: No it's really not, if you've followed American McGee he's been pretty pro-corporate and anti-gamer for years. His statements about DRM are telling. He's reputably kind of abrasive in person as well. I find his response, while probably being partially accurate, lacked any kind of tact. Seriously, the average fourth grader is more polite than that.

And finally, I'll just call bullshit on the whole "I have no say" thing, his name is attached to the first game (it was advertised as "American McGee's Alice" (sort of like "Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas") and clearly he has a ton of pull at EA. If he gave a shit (and he doesn't) his influence would go a long way towards making it happen.
You really think sticking your name somewhere in the title gives you any rights with something like EA?

For example take Lord British who lost his whole kingdom to EA, or better yet the legend Sid Meier and "Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri". What could be the the holdup on the sequel?
Posted December 27, 2011
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DodoGeo: better yet the legend Sid Meier and "Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri"
You mean the legend Brian Reynolds? He works on Facebook games now.
Posted December 27, 2011
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DodoGeo: better yet the legend Sid Meier and "Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri"
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grviper: You mean the legend Brian Reynolds? He works on Facebook games now.
Not him.

Talking about influential names, their IPs and pull on big companies more then actual creativity.
Post edited December 27, 2011 by DodoGeo
Posted December 27, 2011
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GameRager: Not so much a douche as he's just lazy about working for his fans, and figures it's ok to just pawn off the same lines over and over again to those who ask him stuff. Then he wonders why people get upset with his answers.....it makes me laugh when he gets upset in return though. I wonder if he's seriously dense or not?
BTW, when will GOG start selling System Shock 2?!? It's ridiculous that they haven't started selling it yet. I know several places you can download it from. They could just download it and start selling it! Come on, what's taking so long?!?
Posted December 27, 2011
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orcishgamer: And finally, I'll just call bullshit on the whole "I have no say" thing, his name is attached to the first game (it was advertised as "American McGee's Alice" (sort of like "Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas") and clearly he has a ton of pull at EA. If he gave a shit (and he doesn't) his influence would go a long way towards making it happen.
I dunno, there was a brief time when everybody who worked at id was famous. Tom Hall, Tim Willits, Adrian Carmack, Sandy Petersen, Paul Steed, John Cash, etc, etc. In 2000, putting one of their names on a box might have made sense. Today, only gaming nerds know who American McGee is*.

*I suspect if EA put his name in the title of the latest Alice game, younger gamers might have confused him with Lewis Carroll. ;)
Posted December 27, 2011
I plan on writing some people about adding their own good old (albeit obscure) games to the catalog. Hopefully they don't get asked this often and don't get pissed. :P
Posted December 27, 2011
the point of having "American McGee's" on the box was because it was a twisted and unique take on Alice in Wonderland.

the name is there to set it off from Lewis Carol's "normal" version ... and it's well deserved, the game is and was a masterpiece of action/adventure with a bit of shooting.
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