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Hey Goggers;

As many of you know, we announced on last Friday that we are going to introduce regional pricing for 3 new games coming up on GOG.com soon. Looking at the amount of reactions (over 3,500 comments at this very moment), it is obvious that this change is making many of you guys worried. We must have failed to clearly explain why our pricing policy for (some) newer games will change and what this means as a matter of fact for our PC & MAC classic games, which account for over 80% of our catalogue.

To be honest, our announcement was a bit vague simply because our future pricing policy is not 100% set in stone yet and we were just worried to make any promises before it was. You know, GOG.com has been growing quickly (thanks to you!), and the more we grow, the more we are worried to make some of you guys disappointed. This is why we were so (over-)cautious with our announcement.

We should have just been upfront about why we've made these changes and what they mean for us in the future and what we're planning. So let's talk. To be clear: what I'm talking about below is our plan. It's a plan that we believe we can accomplish, but while it's what we want to do with GOG, it may change some before it actually sees the light of day. Please don’t blame me for talking open-heartedly today and telling you about the plans and pricing policy we want to fight for and eventually achieve. The below plans aren't sure. The only guarantee I can give you is that we’ll do our best to fight for gamers while still making sure GOG.com as a whole grows (because well, we still want to be around 50 years from now, you know!). So, enough for the introduction, let’s get things started.

Why does GOG.com need to offer newer games at all?

We've been in business for 5 years now, and we've signed a big percentage of all of the classic content that can be legally untangled. There are still some big companies left we're trying to bring into the GOG.com fold, like LucasArts, Microsoft, Take2 and Bethesda, but what classic titles will we sign in the future once we have those partners on-board? We need to sign newer games or else just fire everyone and keep selling the same limited catalog. Either we bring you “not so old” releases from 2010+ or brand-new AAA titles, because these will become classic games tomorrow. It’s as simple as that.

Also, well, we want to expand beyond just classic games, hence the fact we have been offering you brand-new indie releases for almost 2 years now. Why expanding? Well, obviously, because the more games we sell, the more legitimacy we have on the market and the more likely it is that we can achieve our mission: making all PC & MAC video games 100% DRM-free, whether classic or brand-new titles.

To be straightforward (excuse my French):DRM is shit-- we'll never have any of it. It treats legitimate customers like rubbish and pirates don't have to bother with it. It's bad for gamers, and it's also bad for business and our partners. We want to make it easy and convenient for users to buy and play games; rather than give piracy a try. Happy gamers equals a healthy gaming industry; and this is what we fight for. Anyway, I am sure you well know our opinions about DRM.

To make the world of gaming DRM-free, we need to convince top-tier publishers & developers to give us a try with new games, just like they did with classic games. We need to make more case studies for the gaming industry, just like we successfully did back in 2011 with The Witcher 2. It was our first ever 100% DRM-free AAA day-1 release. GOG.com was the 2nd best-selling digital distribution platform worldwide for this title thanks to you guys, despite having regional prices for it. We need more breakthroughs like this to be able to show all the devs and publishers in our industry that DRM-free digital distribution is actually good for their business and their fans. And when I say breakthroughs, I am talking about really kick-ass games, with a potential metacritic score of 85% or more, AA+ and AAA kind of titles.

And this is exactly why we signed those 3 games we told you about last Friday. We believe those 3 games can be massive hits for hardcore gamers, that they can help us spread the DRM-free model among the industry for newer games and we did our best to convince their rights holders to give GOG.com a try. One of those games, as you see already, is Age of Wonders 3. We're planning more titles even beyond these first 3 soon.

Alright, but why is regional pricing needed for those (only 3 so far!) newer games then?

First of all, you have to be aware of an important fact when it comes to newer games: GOG.com cannot really decide what the prices should be. Top-tier developers and publishers usually have contractual obligations with their retail partners that oblige them to offer the game at the same price digitally and in retail. When they don’t have such contractual obligations, they are still encouraged to do so, or else their games might not get any exposure on the shelves in your favorite shops. This will change over time (as digital sales should overtake retail sales in the near future), but as of today, this is still a problem our industry is facing because retail is a big chunk of revenue and there’s nothing GOG.com can do to change that. We need to charge the recommended retail price for the boxed copies of the games in order for developers (or publishers) to either not get sued or at least get their games visible on shelves. You may recall that our sister company CD Projekt RED got sued for that in the past and we don’t want our partners to suffer from that too.

On top of that, you have to know that there are still many top-tier devs and publishers that are scared about DRM-free gaming. They're half-convinced it will make piracy worse, and flat pricing means that we're also asking them to earn less, too. Earn less, you say? Why is that? Well, when we sell a game in the EU or UK, VAT gets deducted from the price before anyone receives any profit. That means we're asking our partners to try out DRM-free gaming and at the same time also earn 19% - 25% less from us. Other stores, such as Steam, price their games regionally and have pricing that's more equitable to developers and publishers. So flat pricing + DRM-Free is something many devs and publishers simply refuse. Can you blame them? The best argument we can make to convince a publisher or developer to try DRM-Free gaming is that it earns money. Telling them to sacrifice income while they try selling a game with no copy protection is not a way to make that argument.

Getting back to those 3 new upcoming games coming up. The first one is Age of Wonders 3, which you can pre-order right now on GOG.com. The next 2 ones will be Divine Divinity: Original Sin and The Witcher 3. We’re very excited to offer those games DRM-free worldwide and we hope you’ll love them.

Still, we know some countries are really being screwed with regional pricing (Western Europe, UK, Australia) and as mentioned above, we’ll do our very best, for every release of a new game, to convince our partners to offer something special for the gamers living there.

And don’t forget guys: if regional pricing for those few big (as in, “AA+”) new games is a problem for you, you can always wait. In a few months. The game will be discounted on sale, and at 60, 70, or 80% off, the price difference will be minimal indeed. In a few years it will become a classic in its own right, and then we have the possibility to to make it flat-priced anyway (read next!) The choice is always yours. All we are after is to present it to you 100% DRM-free. We are sure you will make the best choice for yourself, and let others enjoy their own freedom to make choices as well.

So, what is going to happen with classic games then?

Classic content accounts for about 80% of our catalog, so yes, this is a super important topic. We've mentioned here above that we can’t control prices for new games, but we do have a lot of influence when it comes to classic games. GOG.com is the store that made this market visible and viable digitally, and we're the ones who established the prices we charge. We believe that we have a good record to argue for fair pricing with our partners.

So let's talk about the pricing for classics that we're shooting for. For $5.99 classics, we would like to make the games 3.49 GBP, 4.49 EUR, 199 RUB, and $6.49 AUD. For $9.99 classics, our targets are 5.99 GBP, 7.49 EUR, 349 RUB, and $10.99 AUD. This is what we’ve got in mind at the moment. We’ll do our best to make that happen, and we think it will. How? Well, we have made our partners quite happy with GOG.com's sales for years - thanks to you guys :). We have created a global, legal, successful digital distribution market of classics for them. This market didn't exist 5 years ago. By (re)making all those games compatible with modern operating systems for MAC and PC, we've made forgotten games profitable again. When it comes to classic games, we can tell them that we know more about this market than anyone. :) Being retrogaming freaks ourselves, we know that 5.99 EUR or GBP is crazy expensive for a classic game (compared to 5.99 USD). We have always argued that classic games only sell well if they have reasonable prices. Unfair regional pricing equals piracy and that’s the last thing anybody wants.

What’s next?

We will do our very best to make all of the above happen. This means three things:

First, we will work to make our industry go DRM-free in the future for both classic and new games (that’s our mission!).

Second, we will fight hard to have an attractive offer for those AA+ new games for our European, British and Australian users, despite regional pricing that we have to stick to.

Third, we will switch to fair local pricing for classic games, as I mentioned above.

TheEnigmaticT earlier mentioned that he would eat his hat if we ever brought DRM to GOG.com. I'm going to go one step further: by the end of this year, I'm making the promise that we will have converted our classic catalog over to fair regional pricing as outlined above. If not, we'll set up a record a video of some horrible public shaming for me, TheEnigmaticT, and w0rma. In fact, you know what? Feel free to make suggestions below for something appropriate (but also safe enough that we won't get the video banned on YouTube) so you feel that we're motivated to get this done quickly. I'll pick one that's scary enough from the comments below and we'll let you know which one we're sticking to.

I hope that this explanation has helped ease your worry a bit and help you keep your faith in GOG.com as a place that's different, awesome, and that always fights for what's best for gamers. If you have any questions, comments or ideas, feel free to address them to us below and TheEnigmaticT and I will answer them to the best of our abilities tomorrow. We hear you loud and clear, so please do continue sharing your feedback with us. At the end of the day GOG.com is your place; without you guys it would just be a website where a few crazy people from Europe talk about old games. :)

I end many of my emails with this, but there's rarely a time to use it more appropriately than here:

“Best DRM-free wishes,

Guillaume Rambourg,
(TheFrenchMonk)
Managing Director -- GOG.com”
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Matruchus: TEnigmaticT said in one of the posts on this thread that decision is final. They might not quite know how they will do it but it is finihsed. And I dont see anymore what gog offers more then any platform now. Sure games mights be drm free for now but you have a lot of drm free games on other platforms.

Oh and for anybody in interested in offtopic thing - now 6000 russian troops confirmed on Crimea. Ukraine mobilises army.
What decision is final? To have different currencies?

Of course it is. And it makes business sense - they will have to do it anyway because of the traditional differentiated regional pricing, and I'm sure a lot of people have been requesting local prices rather than USD ones. It's a no brainer.

Now what prices we get, and whether we get only one or can choose - I didn't see anything final on that. If you have, I'd like to see it.

As for GOG differentiators, they are both objective (they do offer them) and subjective (how you value them). If you don't see anything apart from the DRM I would say you are being willfully blind, even if you don't value them.


Now my version of TinyE style humor:
Clearly Putin and GOG are allied, this is a way to reduce the pool of people that will buy in RUB and make giveways.

Meanwhile back in reality people are usually neither trying to fuck you up, nor being nice and helpful. A bit less passion would serve us all well when experiencing any change.
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Matruchus: TEnigmaticT said in one of the posts on this thread that decision is final. They might not quite know how they will do it but it is finihsed. And I dont see anymore what gog offers more then any platform now. Sure games mights be drm free for now but you have a lot of drm free games on other platforms.

Oh and for anybody in interested in offtopic thing - now 6000 russian troops confirmed on Crimea. Ukraine mobilises army.
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Brasas: What decision is final? To have different currencies?

Of course it is. And it makes business sense - they will have to do it anyway because of the traditional differentiated regional pricing, and I'm sure a lot of people have been requesting local prices rather than USD ones. It's a no brainer.

Now what prices we get, and whether we get only one or can choose - I didn't see anything final on that. If you have, I'd like to see it.

As for GOG differentiators, they are both objective (they do offer them) and subjective (how you value them). If you don't see anything apart from the DRM I would say you are being willfully blind, even if you don't value them.

Now my version of TinyE style humor:
Clearly Putin and GOG are allied, this is a way to reduce the pool of people that will buy in RUB and make giveways.

Meanwhile back in reality people are usually neither trying to fuck you up, nor being nice and helpful. A bit less passion would serve us all well when experiencing any change.
Not a good joke since Ukraine and Russia are probably going to start firing at each other in a few hours time since Russian troop buildup on Crimea is increasing.

Well all is good if there is normal slow change and not when somebody pushes you before the wall with guns ready to fire at you. Thats what this is all about.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by Matruchus
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GOG needs to know what made GOG charming was not just a single one of the following:

1. Old Games
2. Complete versions (with all dlc, if any)
3. Patched to the latest version
4. No regional prices
5. No censored games
6. Honesty and good treatment to customers
7. DRM-free

It was the sum of all of the above.

I am sorry but now GOG is only left with DRM-free. And this strategy to sell this as something "more convenient" or "better value for your money" in comparison to other online sellers will not work for many people. Personally speaking, I didn't buy it.
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damien: GOG needs to know what made GOG charming was not just a single one of the following:

1. Old Games
2. Complete versions (with all dlc, if any)
3. Patched to the latest version
4. No regional prices
5. No censored games
6. Honesty and good treatment to customers
7. DRM-free

It was the sum of all of the above.

I am sorry but now GOG is only left with DRM-free. And this strategy to sell this as something "more convenient" or "better value for your money" in comparison to other online sellers will not work for many people. Personally speaking, I didn't buy it.
Yeah the same for me and probably at least 50% of customers on GOG.
Yeah it was really a cheap attempt from their side to insult our inteligance.

Otherweise how can you explain cca. 4000 mostly outrage posts here.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by Matruchus
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Niggles: Anyone else wonder about this user

a) signed up in Feb 2014
b) awfully negative when replying to TeT's comments?.

Are you actually new to GOG or a regular who set up a new account just for this reason?. Sorry have to ask - your comments seem very sure footed for someone new to GOG forums.
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Davane: What does it matter, if the arguments being made have merit?

Debate 101 - Attack the arguments, not the arguer.

Sounds to me like you "have suspicions" so that you can justify to yourself the fact that you can ignore this user, while still considering yourself as reasonable.
Dude. If im going to make comments good or bad at least im using my account instead of hiding behind a secondary one, which makes me wonder why they did it? they scared people will downrep them or something? seems silly (i have a fair idea who it is anyway)
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Brasas: snip...
Clearly Putin and GOG are allied, this is a way to reduce the pool of people that will buy in RUB and make giveways.

Meanwhile back in reality people are usually neither trying to fuck you up, nor being nice and helpful. A bit less passion would serve us all well when experiencing any change.
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Matruchus: Not a good joke since Ukraine and Russia are probably going to start firing at each other in a few hours time since Russian troop buildup on Crimea is increasing.
If you want to talk about it seriously head on to where that's happening:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/ukrainian_civil_war_in_progress

My joke makes the point that GOG is most likely not conspiring against its customers. They believe they are doing the right thing, and even if you disagree it is basic respect to give them the benefit of the doubt until proof to the contrary.

Ergo, just because the shit hits the fan, doesn't mean anyone is throwing shit at you. And I'll PM you a personal favorite joke of mine.

Edit: Really, GOG is putting us in front of a firing squad? o_0
I think your analogy is less valid than mine... but ok, let's agree to disagree.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by Brasas
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Matruchus: Not a good joke since Ukraine and Russia are probably going to start firing at each other in a few hours time since Russian troop buildup on Crimea is increasing.
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Brasas: If you want to talk about it seriously head on to where that's happening:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/ukrainian_civil_war_in_progress

My joke makes the point that GOG is most likely not conspiring against its customers. They believe they are doing the right thing, and even if you disagree it is basic respect to give them the benefit of the doubt until proof to the contrary.

Ergo, just because the shit hits the fan, doesn't mean anyone is throwing shit at you. And I'll PM you a personal favorite joke of mine.
Well the problem is that they think that they are doing the right thing when it is obviously wrong and I have spoken with so many people for two days now about this and most of them are really pissed about this and I can understand them when the company in one night goes from good to bad. And a lot of people really don't see any difference now between steam and gog and that is the truth. I certainly can't. Yeah games might be drm-free now. But if you change one out of 8 basic principles on gog without consulting customers at all yeah then you can expect something like this and all of the other principles are invalid or not really important anymore since they can be changed on a whim.

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Matruchus: Not a good joke since Ukraine and Russia are probably going to start firing at each other in a few hours time since Russian troop buildup on Crimea is increasing.
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Brasas: If you want to talk about it seriously head on to where that's happening:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/ukrainian_civil_war_in_progress

My joke makes the point that GOG is most likely not conspiring against its customers. They believe they are doing the right thing, and even if you disagree it is basic respect to give them the benefit of the doubt until proof to the contrary.

Ergo, just because the shit hits the fan, doesn't mean anyone is throwing shit at you. And I'll PM you a personal favorite joke of mine.

Edit: Really, GOG is putting us in front of a firing squad? o_0
I think your analogy is less valid than mine... but ok, let's agree to disagree.
Yeah on that we can agree.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by Matruchus
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Davane: What does it matter, if the arguments being made have merit?

Debate 101 - Attack the arguments, not the arguer.

Sounds to me like you "have suspicions" so that you can justify to yourself the fact that you can ignore this user, while still considering yourself as reasonable.
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Niggles: Dude. If im going to make comments good or bad at least im using my account instead of hiding behind a secondary one, which makes me wonder why they did it? they scared people will downrep them or something? seems silly (i have a fair idea who it is anyway)
In protest, most likely. Like all the people moving to the Russian Federation. Like users changing their avatar. Or users changing their Forum Titles.

Maybe changing your account is a little extreme, but how else would you get an account name change like that?

Never underestimate how far people will go to, just to make a point!
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Matruchus: And especially all TEnigmaticTs comments yesterday confirmed that the decision is fixed for regional fair pricing in each country. The prices for games in dollars won't be visible anymore when we get local prices in euros - confirmed by TEnigmaticT - so no transparency anymore. Nobody is going to know anymore if he pays that same as everybod else.
That's really lame and has nothing to do with "fair regional pricing". Looks like they think people who are against regional pricing will shut up if they can't see the price in dollars. Nice move GOG. :/
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Matruchus: And especially all TEnigmaticTs comments yesterday confirmed that the decision is fixed for regional fair pricing in each country. The prices for games in dollars won't be visible anymore when we get local prices in euros - confirmed by TEnigmaticT - so no transparency anymore. Nobody is going to know anymore if he pays that same as everybod else.
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Impaler26: That's really lame and has nothing to do with "fair regional pricing". Looks like they think people who are against regional pricing will shut up if they can't see the price in dollars. Nice move GOG. :/
Yeah thats why im saying its going to be same as steam then. No transparency. And the VAT issue by GOG is not an issue really since they are situated in a tax haven -> read Cyprus and they also bound by Californian Laws so US laws I really dont understand how this company works.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by Matruchus
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damien: GOG needs to know what made GOG charming was not just a single one of the following:

1. Old Games
2. Complete versions (with all dlc, if any)
3. Patched to the latest version
4. No regional prices
5. No censored games
6. Honesty and good treatment to customers
7. DRM-free

It was the sum of all of the above.

I am sorry but now GOG is only left with DRM-free. And this strategy to sell this as something "more convenient" or "better value for your money" in comparison to other online sellers will not work for many people. Personally speaking, I didn't buy it.
5. Fallout and Carmageddon were/are the censored versions.
I am curious if they indeed manage to get some really big games aboard. Otherwise causing this shitstorm was for nothing.
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damien: GOG needs to know what made GOG charming was not just a single one of the following:

1. Old Games
2. Complete versions (with all dlc, if any)
3. Patched to the latest version
4. No regional prices
5. No censored games
6. Honesty and good treatment to customers
7. DRM-free

It was the sum of all of the above.

I am sorry but now GOG is only left with DRM-free. And this strategy to sell this as something "more convenient" or "better value for your money" in comparison to other online sellers will not work for many people. Personally speaking, I didn't buy it.
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blotunga: 5. Fallout and Carmageddon were/are the censored versions.
I am curious if they indeed manage to get some really big games aboard. Otherwise causing this shitstorm was for nothing.
Well if they get games from EA, SEGA, PARADOX, STARDOCK and other, then yeah otherweise I dont see the point of it.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by Matruchus
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PixelBoy: America hate is an unavoidable side effect caused by regional pricing.
What else do you expect?

Americans get same games cheaper than Europeans, althought statistically speaking USA is wealthier than most European countries. Purchases done by US dollars don't get extra charge, but Euro prices get "fair" conversion rates.

While this has nothing to do with politics or countries, it does make America look bad. Those who have more to begin with, are made to pay less.
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Tooms: It makes America look bad? Yes, the people of America have declared that your country gets a higher price for video games. Great conclusion there. Matruchus is just another troll.
It does.

The fact that American companies are not the ones doing it (this time...) is not changing the fact that North America and US$ are in a more favorable position than Europe and €.

I don't know if you have ever heard about Sweden or Åland islands, but there are ferry operators traveling between these two destinations. Many of the companies are Åland based, but people living on Åland pay for their ferry crossings more than Swedish people. AFAIK, it does make Swedish people look bad in the eyes of Åland people, even though they otherwise have very close relationship to Sweden (officially they are Finnish citizens, but more or less hate Finland, so...).

The fact that "own" companies are favoring "others" makes "others" look even worse.
If a US company offers better prices to American buyers, it may not be fair, but you can consider it being a business move to favor domestic market, and it is understandable. If a European company offers better prices to American buyers, it simply feels wrong.

I suppose it is hard for an American citizens to really see this. But the problem is, statistically speaking USA is wealthier than most of Europe. Yet Americans pay less for gasoline, airfares, hamburgers, soft drinks, games, etc. As long as we are talking about US oil companies, airlines, fast food chains, beverage companies, software houses, this makes some sense.

But when European based companies, like GOG, offer better deals on European made games to American buyers, it does make the whole thing seem very wrong. And even if American buyers are not the ones who created the system, it does make every American buyer look bad. They are getting a favored position here.

And we are even talking about the very same products here!
If Germans get completely screwed price-wise on certain games, it is understandable to a certain point, because German localisation with voice-overs and all does cost money. Because no one else but Germans get any benefit from that, it is only fair that they pay for that extra work, if they need that extra work done.

But favoring North American buyers is not something that can be justified by localisation costs, or VAT, or any other reason that I have seen. It simply happens, and it doesn't feel right.
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grimwerk: ...In theory, the prices aren't simply guessed. They are set based on purchasing habits for the region. The price is chosen because that is what will generate the most profit. ...
In practice however they might as well just get guessed if only because one doesn't have all the information. For example in this AoW3 preorder Switzerland has $40 and Germany $55. Now people in Switzerland earn more, that's why so many people want to live there. According to the theory it is hardly imaginable that the price is lower, unless people in Switzerland are super greedy and people in Germany super generous, which is not true according to my experience. The only other possibility seems that Triumph kind of simply guessed what would be good prices.

This is not really a market outcome. Same price for retailers and digital distribution everywhere in a region? This only shows that there isn't competition and that basically the publisher just sets the price how he likes. Of course in the long run when sales turn out to be low they might go down... but for now it's probably just try and error.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by Trilarion
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PixelBoy: snip...
Not saying this is you, but there is a level of cognitive dissonance at play.

I would bet the same people that feel discriminated in relation to higher prices vs US, will turn around and happily point that quality of life is better in Europe.

Well which is it? Are prices lower over there, so you get better value for money there? Or is life better here, so you get better value for money here?