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irishskrapper: I'm also pissed that from the moment it went live the Torment and Mage's Initiation kickstarters slowed down immensely.
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They should have waited.
>>Implying that was why those kickstarters slowed down in funding increases.

(You do realize that usually funding for such KS projects slows at an exponential rate over time, right?)
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How about no? ;)
Tracy Hickman, New York Times Best-selling author of Dragonlance and Deathgate series, joins the Shroud of the Avatar team as Lead Story Designer!

Hmm this could be interesting. I wonder if Hickman will start a series out of this.

Edit:

Yes I realize BaK didn't start the series for Feist but you know trying to make a corollary here :)
Post edited March 15, 2013 by samlii
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Elmofongo: Guys I waited long enough, please oh please someone reply because I have more questions about Ultima 4 so please :(

When or Where do I get a Horse or the Balloon?

What is the best place to get more gold without ransacking Lord British's secret stash ruining my virtues.

And finally what are the Benefits when you become a full Avatar after medating all the shrines with all your virtues at 100%?
Try googling it or using an Ultima fan forum.
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Mrstarker: Also, Torment is doing very well. It currently gets 50k per day, which is an insane amount for the lull period. Mage's Initiation hasn't slowed down significantly either. I've no idea where you're getting this idea -- all the data is readily available on kicktraq.com.
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GameRager: >>Implying that was why those kickstarters slowed down in funding increases.

(You do realize that usually funding for such KS projects slows at an exponential rate over time, right?)
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How about no? ;)
When I wrote that I was referring to how those kickstarters,especially Torment, were on a crazy up and I had watched it hit a stand still almost completely in the hours after the Lord British kickstarter went live and it continued for like a 2 day period as that one was hitting thousands.

These kickstarters share the same demographic.
Potential backers are easily swayed onto the next big project and not everyone has high credit/debit balances.
Some cannot back both or some might detract their pledge due to a higher loyalty of the Ultima series.
Some having to choose is disappointing.
I was never implying that either was doing poorly and as of now are still gaining backers.
I was just voicing my frustration since a kickstarter like Torment needs around 3-3.5 mil to make a product that would come anywhere close to what PS:T was and a small project like Mage's Initiation takes the back burner between these big projects.

WIth torment it went from a trend of 18-20 mil to half the day after Lord British started his.
That was a crazy drop compared to the usual downslope and stagnace that occurs after the first few days of a project.
I interpreted that as a potential shifting of interest in the kickstarter crowd.
That is what I meant.
I was also unaware of the timer or whatever on Lord British's site.
It just sucks when you have multiple kickstarters with million dollar goals trying to appeal to the same demographic in the same time-span thus creating competition.
Post edited March 16, 2013 by irishskrapper
Finally got my fucking card in and tossed in my 0.02, well more like $35 (it seemed shallow to only pay the minimum).
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irishskrapper: When I wrote that I was referring to how those kickstarters,especially Torment, were on a crazy up and I had watched it hit a stand still almost completely in the hours after the Lord British kickstarter went live and it continued for like a 2 day period as that one was hitting thousands.

These kickstarters share the same demographic.
Potential backers are easily swayed onto the next big project and not everyone has high credit/debit balances.
Some cannot back both or some might detract their pledge due to a higher loyalty of the Ultima series.
Some having to choose is disappointing.
I was never implying that either was doing poorly and as of now are still gaining backers.
I was just voicing my frustration since a kickstarter like Torment needs around 3-3.5 mil to make a product that would come anywhere close to what PS:T was and a small project like Mage's Initiation takes the back burner between these big projects.

WIth torment it went from a trend of 18-20 mil to half the day after Lord British started his.
That was a crazy drop compared to the usual downslope and stagnace that occurs after the first few days of a project.
I interpreted that as a potential shifting of interest in the kickstarter crowd.
That is what I meant.
I was also unaware of the timer or whatever on Lord British's site.
It just sucks when you have multiple kickstarters with million dollar goals trying to appeal to the same demographic in the same time-span thus creating competition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Such a steep drop is quite normal. Usually, big and visible projects get most of the pledges on the first day, much less on the second day and a slow trickle until the end of the project when it climbs up again. Also the Torment Kickstarter was "leaked" early, so most of the backers were ready to pledge on day one.
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Elmofongo: 13,890
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$920,905
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22 days left.
SPOILERS :p

(How can I expect to go onto the KS page and be surprised by all the dosh being thrown at it when you keep posting it all the time?!? 0.o)

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irishskrapper: When I wrote that I was referring to how those kickstarters,especially Torment, were on a crazy up and I had watched it hit a stand still almost completely in the hours after the Lord British kickstarter went live and it continued for like a 2 day period as that one was hitting thousands.
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These kickstarters share the same demographic.
Potential backers are easily swayed onto the next big project and not everyone has high credit/debit balances.
Some cannot back both or some might detract their pledge due to a higher loyalty of the Ultima series.
Some having to choose is disappointing.
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I was never implying that either was doing poorly and as of now are still gaining backers.
I was just voicing my frustration since a kickstarter like Torment needs around 3-3.5 mil to make a product that would come anywhere close to what PS:T was and a small project like Mage's Initiation takes the back burner between these big projects.
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With torment it went from a trend of 18-20 mil to half the day after Lord British started his.
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That was a crazy drop compared to the usual downslope and stagnace that occurs after the first few days of a project.
I interpreted that as a potential shifting of interest in the kickstarter crowd.
That is what I meant.
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I was also unaware of the timer or whatever on Lord British's site.
It just sucks when you have multiple kickstarters with million dollar goals trying to appeal to the same demographic in the same time-span thus creating competition.
Afaik many KS projects work out the same way...they get a bunch of funding in the first few days then the amount added per day slows down at an exponential rate. This doesn't necessarily mean that another game is stealing a KS project's thunder, perse.
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Imo there's enough money to go around(when you consider how many now grown up oldschool gaming fans with disposable income there must be int eh world nowadays).
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Ssdly that's how it is......some projects will fail and some will succeed(due to various factors). That's just consumer interest and the market at work. There's no need to beat yourself up over it.
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That means nothing, though. Didn't you see how it was originally trending over 30 million when after day 1?
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Not really....as I said before, most(successful) KS projects trend high at first and then drop dramatically after a few days.
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Are you serious? Competition is GOOD for us(the consumers) as it allows developers to bring many different "courses" to the dining table that is gaming. With all the competition, we're set to possibly have an excellent bumper crop of games within the next year or two. :)
Post edited March 16, 2013 by GameRager
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Sogi-Ya: Finally got my fucking card in and tossed in my 0.02, well more like $35 (it seemed shallow to only pay the minimum).
Admit it, you only did that so LB wouldn't tear ya a proverbial "new one" via the KS page comments. :P
;D
What fascinates me about Kickstarter is how many of the projects follow a very smooth curve. The big video game projects in particular seem to follow an almost perfect logit curve. (Yes, I had to look that up).

Just look at Wasteland 2 or Project Eternity. It's spooky.
Post edited March 16, 2013 by Whitecroc
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samlii: Tracy Hickman, New York Times Best-selling author of Dragonlance and Deathgate series, joins the Shroud of the Avatar team as Lead Story Designer!

Hmm this could be interesting. I wonder if Hickman will start a series out of this.

Edit:

Yes I realize BaK didn't start the series for Feist but you know trying to make a corollary here :)
I like that Hickman is on board. I've enjoyed his previous work.
Hickman is a bit of hit and miss writer. Half of Deathgate is pretty good, but the other half pretty damned bad. Though I quess that goes for every author, is not like Kings Dark Tower is solid gold on every page, or even every book.
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Sogi-Ya: Finally got my fucking card in and tossed in my 0.02, well more like $35 (it seemed shallow to only pay the minimum).
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GameRager: Admit it, you only did that so LB wouldn't tear ya a proverbial "new one" via the KS page comments. :P
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no, LB can tear me whatever new one he wants to (I'm a total man-whore for him), I just don't like the fact that doing these kickstarters has become less about getting indie funding from your customer base pre-development and more about what kind of swag you bribe out for people to donate .... if this keeps up they really should think about changing the name from "Kickstarter" to "Kickbacker."

if you only donate to absolute minimum to get the kickback tier you want it sends the message that what you are really interested in is buying a reward instead of pre-funding development; so I like to toss in a few extra bucks over the requirement to show that while I did aim for a reward tier, I'm more interested in funding the game than whoring for swag.
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tomimt: Hickman is a bit of hit and miss writer. Half of Deathgate is pretty good, but the other half pretty damned bad. Though I quess that goes for every author, is not like Kings Dark Tower is solid gold on every page, or even every book.
honestly, I find that the best part of Hickman's work is Margret Weis; if they had announced her instead of Hickman I'd be bouncing off the fucking walls right now instead of just going "oh, cool ....."

but at the same time, while it was Weis who game their books and characters the spark that made them great; Hickman was the one who was hammering out the laws and mechanics behind the scenes that grounded the books into something that felt rational even when most of their settings were batshit.

..... and it is the latter that is more important with video game writing, so maybe Hickman is the better fit.
(I just hope that half way through the game he doesn't ret-con into all the game's gods not really being full gods and that their actually is a "one, true god" that created all the other gods and writing in character types that mimic Mormon lore ..... as he has done before, on several series).
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I say by tonight it will reach its goal.