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Crosmando: I'm not talking about my personal experience, I use it in offline mode when I do use it. I'm just pointing out that Valve ought to really use some of that dosh to hire some competent web designers and programmers to build a new client, because current one is ugly and bloated. It was reasonably designed for 2005 tho
The current design of Steam is the same as the 2005 version in the same way that Windows 7 is the same as Windows 95. Yes, it's easy to find similarities, but both the website and the client are very different. (Unfortunately I can't find old images.) Even in terms of implementation, the Steam client moved from using webkit instead of IE when it went cross platform.

You can see the post about the changes . (No images of the old Steam there.) Valve works quite a bit on Steam, as is clear from the updates. Take a look at [url=http://store.steampowered.com/news/?feed=steam_client]the updates.
Post edited May 28, 2013 by ET3D
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darthspudius: Keyword there "laptop". It isn't designed for laptops. It is designed for people with home pc's who use it as an entertainment system. Plug in a controller, put on big picture mode and all is good between you and your tv. It works fine on my desktop.
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Crosmando: You mean it's for consoletards who want to pretend their PC is a console.
No, it is for people who like to also play their games on a big screen, and this makes it more convenient.

You are not better than them, please drop this language. Down-repped this post.
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amok: No, it is for people who like to also play their games on a big screen, and this makes it more convenient.

You are not better than them, please drop this language. Down-repped this post.
I down-repped ur mom. Big-screen, ie TV, ie not a monitor, ie trying to replicate a console OS environment for those familiar with it. Big Picture looks exactly like it is trying to emulate a PSN or XBL type environment.
Post edited May 28, 2013 by Crosmando
Try to limit FPS to the game, specifically to your laptop's monitor's hertz (usually 60Hz) to avoid unnecessary overheating or just turn on VSync. Also, you can buy one of those laptop cases with fans underneath them.

Download GameBooster if RAM is an issue.

Also avoid big picture as I believe that drains CPU/GPU power.

And to make a good comparison you can always download a no-cd fix for Torchlight, back up original .exe, quit steam, use the fix and compare if you see anything different. I should warn you though that using fixes is against EULA and no one will take responsibility if something happens to your account but at the same time I've used numerous fixes for different games on Steam and I was never warned or banned (good standing status). :)
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Crosmando: Big Picture looks exactly like it is trying to emulate a PSN or XBL type environment.
Which is bad because .... ?
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Crosmando: Big-screen, ie TV, ie not a monitor
I've been working with a single screen space of over 72" for computer work from the start of this century. Why is a big screen bad for computer work? Especially if it can use proper resolutions.
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Fenixp: Which is bad because .... ?
It's not a console? Separation of console gaming and desktop PC gaming is good gaming in general. Games/software designed to be played on a big-screen TV using a controller while sitting back on a couch are not meant to be played on a desktop monitor using KBM up close to the screen. As a matter of general I'm against all signs of multi-platformization/merging of PC and console gaming.

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JMich: I've been working with a single screen space of over 72" for computer work from the start of this century. Why is a big screen bad for computer work? Especially if it can use proper resolutions.
You serious? At what resolution do you use a 72" for computer work? Even at 1920×1200 it would look ugly. Anything above 26" for 16:9 and 16:10 resolutions is ugly and improper for the intricacy of computer work at a desk.
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Crosmando: Big Picture looks exactly like it is trying to emulate a PSN or XBL type environment.
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Fenixp: Which is bad because .... ?
Obviously it is not the same game. You are a consoletard if you play Halflife 2 in Big Picture on a big screen, you you are a member of the PC super race if you play Halflife 2 on a monitor.
Post edited May 28, 2013 by amok
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Crosmando: It's not a console? Separation of console gaming and desktop PC gaming is good gaming in general. Games/software designed to be played on a big-screen TV using a controller while sitting back on a couch are not meant to be played on a desktop monitor using KBM up close to the screen. As a matter of general I'm against all signs of multi-platformization/merging of PC and console gaming.
I've been playing Heroes of Might and Magic III with my wife on TV using a rebinded controller. Steam with bigscreen on definitely makes it easier to launch Heroes of Might and Magic III using Steam.
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Crosmando: You serious? At what resolution do you use a 72" for computer work? Even at 1920×1200 it would look ugly. Anything above 26" for 16:9 and 16:10 resolutions is ugly and improper for the intricacy of computer work at a desk.
1024x768 or 1280x1024. Mostly teaching code and debugging, and also presentations. Having a viewing distance of over 5 meters also helps quite a bit.
But yes, I was working with that as a screen, instead of the 15" monitors that were available at that time, or 17" if you were one of the lucky ones.
The biggest complain I had was that I didn't have access to a wireless keyboard to be able to walk around while demonstrating.
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Fenixp: Which is bad because .... ?
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Crosmando: It's not a console? Separation of console gaming and desktop PC gaming is good gaming in general. Games/software designed to be played on a big-screen TV using a controller while sitting back on a couch are not meant to be played on a desktop monitor using KBM up close to the screen. As a matter of general I'm against all signs of multi-platformization/merging of PC and console gaming.
The main problem is that you are constantly glorifying what you like (PC gaming) and belittling what you do not like. This is extremely juvenile. People like different things, it does not mean a hobby is more pure or worthwhile than another. You do not need to demean somebody else to validate your preferences. Grow up.
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Crosmando: It's not a console? Separation of console gaming and desktop PC gaming is good gaming in general. Games/software designed to be played on a big-screen TV using a controller while sitting back on a couch are not meant to be played on a desktop monitor using KBM up close to the screen. As a matter of general I'm against all signs of multi-platformization/merging of PC and console gaming.
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Fenixp: I've been playing Heroes of Might and Magic III with my wife on TV using a rebinded controller. Steam with bigscreen on definitely makes it easier to launch Heroes of Might and Magic III using Steam.
Pics or GTFO. HoMM3's interface is completely designed for mouse, I cannot imagine trying to navigate it's UI with a rebinded controller to be anything but an exercise in masochism.


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JMich: 1024x768 or 1280x1024. Mostly teaching code and debugging, and also presentations. Having a viewing distance of over 5 meters also helps quite a bit.
But yes, I was working with that as a screen, instead of the 15" monitors that were available at that time, or 17" if you were one of the lucky ones.
The biggest complain I had was that I didn't have access to a wireless keyboard to be able to walk around while demonstrating.
You teach a programming language?
And what I meant was playing games and internet browsing, your use seems to be somewhat unorthodox from the average user.
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amok: The main problem is that you are constantly glorifying what you like (PC gaming) and belittling what you do not like. This is extremely juvenile. People like different things, it does not mean a hobby is more pure or worthwhile than another. You do not need to demean somebody else to validate your preferences. Grow up.
I'm not demeaning anybody. I believe in the separation of church and state homes. Except with PC and console.
Post edited May 28, 2013 by Crosmando
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amok: The main problem is that you are constantly glorifying what you like (PC gaming) and belittling what you do not like. This is extremely juvenile. People like different things, it does not mean a hobby is more pure or worthwhile than another. You do not need to demean somebody else to validate your preferences. Grow up.
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Crosmando: I'm not demeaning anybody. I believe in the separation of church and state homes. Except with PC and console.
so "Consoltards" is not demeaning? In another thread you talk about "PC super race" (I think it was)... not sure what you are calling this, but I call it demeaning. And there are many other of yours in different threads. it is a trend which is getting annoying, this was the last drop.

(apologies if I came off too harsh, but it has been very annoying)
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amok: so "Consoltards" is not demeaning? In another thread you talk about "PC super race" (I think it was)... not sure what you are calling this, but I call it demeaning. And there are many other of yours in different threads. it is a trend which is getting annoying, this was the last drop.

(apologies if I came off too harsh, but it has been very annoying)
I think it's a reasonable position, I reserve the right to question the intelligence of anyone who is a console gamer in spite of knowledge of how the PC is orders of magnitude more powerful technically. And money is not an issue either, I assembled my own PC as cheaply as a console would cost, but then upgraded it gradually over time with more expensive parts as my need grew. Combined with the low prices of PC games online, I have spent a staggeringly small amount of money on hardware and software which would have cost me much, much more on a console, and that's not even taking into account the high failure rate of console hardware, and how multiplayer services like Xbox Live actually charge people subscriptions. Not only do console gamers rip themselves off and rob themselves of better hardware, they support rip-off merchants like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft who prey on ignorance and "convenience" to sell overpriced junk. World would be a lot better if everyone just assembled their own PC.

So yeah, console gaming has done a hell of a lot of damage to gaming in general. It has held back gaming by decade, degraded gaming by forcing every high-budget game to be designed for gamepad and TV play primarily, and so on.

I do not respect anyone who would willing support an industry which has damaged gaming so much. As I said I'm in favor of the separation of PC and console gaming, something like what existed in the 90's before the first Xbox.
Post edited May 28, 2013 by Crosmando
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amok: so "Consoltards" is not demeaning? In another thread you talk about "PC super race" (I think it was)... not sure what you are calling this, but I call it demeaning. And there are many other of yours in different threads. it is a trend which is getting annoying, this was the last drop.

(apologies if I came off too harsh, but it has been very annoying)
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Crosmando: I think it's a reasonable position, I reserve the right to question the intelligence of anyone who is a console gamer in spite of knowledge of how the PC is orders of magnitude more powerful technically. And money is not an issue either, I assembled my own PC as cheaply as a console would cost, but then upgraded it gradually over time with more expensive parts as my need grew. Combined with the low prices of PC games online, I have spent a staggeringly small amount of money on hardware and software which would have cost me much, much more on a console, and that's not even taking into account the high failure rate of console hardware, and how multiplayer services like Xbox Live actually charge people subscriptions.

So yeah, console gaming has done a hell of a lot of damage to gaming in general. It has held back gaming by decade, degraded gaming by forcing every high-budget game to be designed for gamepad and TV play primarily, and so on.

I do not respect anyone who would willing support an industry which has damaged gaming so much. As I said I'm in favor of the separation of PC and console gaming, something like what existed in the 90's before the first Xbox.
You do know that most console gamers play on PC's and most PC gamers also play on consoles, making your whole post moot and elitis?

PC' gamers and console gamers are in many cases the same people.

not to forget, it makes it an unreasonable position :)
Post edited May 28, 2013 by amok