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ANY system that removes control of the purchased product from the consumer to anyone else, regardless of who they be... Yes, it's as bad as can possibly be and more so.
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Paul_cz: Unlike Origin, Steam at least does offer some good features (ingame overlay, friends, screenshots, cloud saving, good interface, possibility to add nonsteam games, convenience).
That is why I do not mind Steam, but running Origin seems pointless.
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SimonG: Youd do know that Origin has plenty of those features. From a pure "client" based view it is also a lot slicker and less cumbersome. The store sucks, however. I never bought anything on Origin.

And so far there are only three game that actually require Origin to run, but you can register your EA games from whatever service they came from and play them without Origin running. And Origin doesn't care where you got your DLC from, unless Steam.

I use both services, so I'm open to games on both.
Hmmm, I do have it installed and I own several games on it (BF3, Saboteur..), but I somehow did not notice those features (I also did not run it for quite some time, maybe I do not even have updated version).

Well if it has them, then my Steam preference comes purely from design and the amount of friends and games I have there.
I completely disagree about slickness of the client, Steam (especially with pixelvision skin) looks just fabulous and is great to use...while Origin..ugh.
I used it for Mass Effect 3 (wouldn't really have had a reason to otherwise), and while it's not as bad functionally as some claim, it still feels clunky and unintuitive to me.

This was especially evident with the store portion. The DLC for ME3 'From Ashes' wouldn't appear by searching the store. I had to click on a strange little arrow button which opened another menu that gave me the option to look at all add-on content.
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DaveO-MM: Account bans if you don't play nice on the forums and forfeiture of legal rights don't exactly compel me to trust the Origin client or EA. Also, some of the games require persistent connections which is not always possible since there are people with unstable or no Internet connections.
unless this actually happened to you, i wouldn't put too much stock in those reports. people tend to get banned for a (good) reason. EA wants you to keep buying their games, they're not gonna ban you for no reason.

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Tormentfan: ANY system that removes control of the purchased product from the consumer to anyone else, regardless of who they be... Yes, it's as bad as can possibly be and more so.
sure buddy, nevermind that this is just your usual EULA/ToL put into practice...

nevermind the fact that it's impossible to get around it unless you're willing to NOT buy any new games.
Post edited April 10, 2012 by Fred_DM
Yes. It's that bad.
It's worse than Steam, which is a feat by itself.
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Paul_cz: snip
Hold it right there!

Steam can have different skins!?
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Paul_cz: snip
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SimonG: Hold it right there!

Steam can have different skins!?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2196090
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Tormentfan: ANY system that removes control of the purchased product from the consumer to anyone else, regardless of who they be... Yes, it's as bad as can possibly be and more so.
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Fred_DM: sure buddy, nevermind that this is just your usual EULA/ToL put into practice...

nevermind the fact that it's impossible to get around it unless you're willing to NOT buy any new games.
And mostly non-binding in EU countries. EULAs are usually copy-pasted from the US, which hasn't good such a strong consumer protection focus. See Origins original EULA and what happened in Germany.
I didn't use origin much, bu honestly, i don't really trust EA, and being forced to use this service to play some games is not somethiing i'm happy with.

Not particularly praising steam, but they have a wider choice, and they have the reputation of being less evil if you will.

But honestly, I wish when you bought a game you still had the option to install it and play it offline without tha online bs.

I don't want to have too many programs running ifi want to get my games, and steam just has much more choice than origin. + as I said don't have any faith in EA.


So the problem ain't origin, but EA
Post edited April 10, 2012 by Kamfrenchie
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Kamfrenchie: I didn't use origin much, bu honestly, i don't really trust EA, and being forced to use this service to play some games is not somethiing i'm happy with.

Not particularly praising steam, but they have a wider choice, and they have the reputation of being less evil if you will.

But honestly, I wish when you bought a game you still had the option to install it and play it offline without tha online bs.

I don't want to have too many programs running ifi want to get my games, and steam just has much more choice than origin. + as I said don't have any faith in EA.


So the problem ain't origin, but EA
I rather have to 2 service programs on my ONE computer than go to a different store thats more far away than the store I usually go to
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Paul_cz: snip
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SimonG: Hold it right there!

Steam can have different skins!?
Yeah. Compare this:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2563/librarydetails.jpg

to Origin's look. Quite a difference.

Here is the thread for skin I use
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1914848
Post edited April 10, 2012 by Paul_cz
Am I the only one who don't care about how fabulous UI is? When I have to choose online store I rather look at prices, DRM, customer service etc. ;)

I spent less than 1 minute per month staring at my game library anyway.
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Kamfrenchie: I didn't use origin much, bu honestly, i don't really trust EA, and being forced to use this service to play some games is not somethiing i'm happy with.

Not particularly praising steam, but they have a wider choice, and they have the reputation of being less evil if you will.

But honestly, I wish when you bought a game you still had the option to install it and play it offline without tha online bs.

I don't want to have too many programs running ifi want to get my games, and steam just has much more choice than origin. + as I said don't have any faith in EA.


So the problem ain't origin, but EA
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Elmofongo: I rather have to 2 service programs on my ONE computer than go to a different store thats more far away than the store I usually go to
except that's a bad comparison. I dont think you will find EA exclusive retailers or Steam retailers IRL.

I dont want to have to install 5 different programs wih 5 different friend list etc. if every publisher decide they want to have exclusivity on all their games and whatnot and go with their own version of steam/orign.


Retailers will sell you product from all publishers if they can, so they're beter in that regard. Plus i like having the disk and box
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Elmofongo: I rather have to 2 service programs on my ONE computer than go to a different store thats more far away than the store I usually go to
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Kamfrenchie: except that's a bad comparison. I dont think you will find EA exclusive retailers or Steam retailers IRL.

I dont want to have to install 5 different programs wih 5 different friend list etc. if every publisher decide they want to have exclusivity on all their games and whatnot and go with their own version of steam/orign.


Retailers will sell you product from all publishers if they can, so they're beter in that regard. Plus i like having the disk and box
well i'll defend my comparison by saying this: the gamestop thats close to my home does not have the game I want but I heard that a walmart thats farther away from my home does.
Post edited April 10, 2012 by Elmofongo
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Kamfrenchie: I didn't use origin much, bu honestly, i don't really trust EA, and being forced to use this service to play some games is not somethiing i'm happy with.

Not particularly praising steam, but they have a wider choice, and they have the reputation of being less evil if you will.

But honestly, I wish when you bought a game you still had the option to install it and play it offline without tha online bs.

I don't want to have too many programs running ifi want to get my games, and steam just has much more choice than origin. + as I said don't have any faith in EA.


So the problem ain't origin, but EA
But Valve started this policy first and EA kinda can't compete with them without doing the same thing.