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Posted December 01, 2012
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SimonG: snip
You could've replied to my another boobie giveaway, but that's as good as any indeed ;-)

Thanks a lot! I will keep you posted about if she found that information useful :P
Posted December 01, 2012
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htown1980: I understand that, but if the next 100 indie bundles are all DRM free and have all the main indie releases then surely that is proof that he is wrong? 100 is extreme, I am proposing 5.
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SirPrimalform: The thing is, they'll almost certainly run another Steam only bundle at some point even if not from a big publisher. Some developers that would previously have gone DRM-free to be able to get into the HIB will now just go "Nah... I'll just wait and go in the Steam bundle."
The Humble Bundle guys used to be rather important in the DRM-free movement, they've lost that now. They're basically just DRM-neutral like Desura in terms of stance ("we won't put any DRM on games but if the developer puts DRM on we'll sell it anyway").
I just want to know when you will admit you are wrong. If the next 10 bundles are all DRM free, would that be sufficient? Or do we have to wait for 20?
Posted December 01, 2012
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Red_Avatar: To be fair, many of their writers are rather pretentious as well, though. Since PC Gamer forums existed in 1999, these same writers attracted pretentious fans because of this
Oh certainly.
Posted December 01, 2012
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Immoli: I like how people are using the charities to try to protect the Humble Bundle from criticism.

"You don't like what the Humble Bundle i doing? Why do you hate charities?!?!?!?"
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StingingVelvet: This happened to me in the RPS article's comments. Was super annoying and I haven't gone back to look since I informed them how much I paid for a humble bundle is not at all reflective of what I contribute to charity or society, you ignorant fucks.

RPS is like a hive mind of pretentiousness though.
I saw that. Best not to go back methinks.
Posted December 01, 2012
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htown1980: I saw that. Best not to go back methinks.
I went from checking RPS daily to going there once a week or so and usually regretting it, so that won't be hard. Almost every article drips with hipster white knighting elitism pretentiousness and it drives me up the wall.
Posted December 01, 2012
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StingingVelvet: I went from checking RPS daily to going there once a week or so and usually regretting it, so that won't be hard. Almost every article drips with hipster white knighting elitism pretentiousness and it drives me up the wall.
You mean like this thread? ;-)
Post edited December 01, 2012 by SimonG
Posted December 01, 2012
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Neobr10: This is how Humble Bundle works, you don't get separate keys for each game. I personally think it's better that way.

EDIT: Ninja'ed.
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orcishgamer: Hmm, I'd forgotten about that, there's pretty much no reason for me to buy this now aside from sound tracks. Who the hell doesn't have at least some of these games already? I think this is the only non-Android bundle I'll have missed...
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htown1980: I understand that, but if the next 100 indie bundles are all DRM free and have all the main indie releases then surely that is proof that he is wrong? 100 is extreme, I am proposing 5.
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orcishgamer: No, certainly not, you can have umpteen indie bundles, if it keeps some devs from even considering DRM free bundles then it's had a measurable, negative effect. If games like Limbo disappear from DRM-free bundles, then it doesn't matter how many Dungeons of Dredmore type games still get released, the DRM free bundle scene has still lost something important.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Someone has understood my argument for once! This is what will happen. Bastion and Limbo are very good examples of the sort of games I have been talking about.

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SirPrimalform: The thing is, they'll almost certainly run another Steam only bundle at some point even if not from a big publisher. Some developers that would previously have gone DRM-free to be able to get into the HIB will now just go "Nah... I'll just wait and go in the Steam bundle."
The Humble Bundle guys used to be rather important in the DRM-free movement, they've lost that now. They're basically just DRM-neutral like Desura in terms of stance ("we won't put any DRM on games but if the developer puts DRM on we'll sell it anyway").
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htown1980: I just want to know when you will admit you are wrong. If the next 10 bundles are all DRM free, would that be sufficient? Or do we have to wait for 20?
It is not about the number you can have 1000 of them and it would have nothing to do with my argument. It is about what games will be part of those bundles. Certain games will become rarer. Games in particular made by the type of developer that has been very successful and established prior to joining a HIB will now be significantly less likely to join one. Also developers that are very Windows centric and/or DRM centric will be more hesistant now. Like orcishgamer said they may wait until they can get in on the next DRMed Windows only bundle ALA the THQ bundle.
Post edited December 01, 2012 by Kristian
Posted December 01, 2012
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Kristian: Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Someone has understood my argument for once! This is what will happen. Bastion and Limbo are very good examples of the sort of games I have been talking about.
this is an example of why I have a problem with most of your posts. It is not to say that you have some point, but it is the one-sided bombasticness and total surety of own position which really grates...

This is what MAY happen, you do not know if it will or will not happen. I do not know what will or will not happen.

You think something may go one way or another, I think it may go another way. Neither of us know which one is correct until events have unfolded. So just please, tone it down a little, it makes things much better. It also makes conversations more pleasant.
Posted December 01, 2012
This is a bit like when Good Old Games dropped "old".

Anyway, I think it's pretty cool. I doubt it will be a common thing, and I think that most bundles will continue to be DRM-free - that's a big part of the appeal of the concept, and they know it.

Not that I care, I usually have all the interesting games in their bundles already, and when I don't, I buy the bundles for the Steam-keys.
Posted December 01, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Almost every article drips with hipster white knighting elitism pretentiousness and it drives me up the wall.
Well I could see why you'd think that, your definition of 'white knight' seems to have expanded to anyone who likes anything and is willing to defend it :-P
Posted December 01, 2012
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Kristian: Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Someone has understood my argument for once! This is what will happen. Bastion and Limbo are very good examples of the sort of games I have been talking about.
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amok: this is an example of why I have a problem with most of your posts. It is not to say that you have some point, but it is the one-sided bombasticness and total surety of own position which really grates...

This is what MAY happen, you do not know if it will or will not happen. I do not know what will or will not happen.

You think something may go one way or another, I think it may go another way. Neither of us know which one is correct until events have unfolded. So just please, tone it down a little, it makes things much better. It also makes conversations more pleasant.
It would help if people would stop calling my names and stop misrepresenting my views

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I would just say that this is matter of how you asses the probabilities, I don't see how this could NOT result in certain developers getting hesistant when confronted with DRM free, cross-platform requirements of a HIB and either wait it out for a THQ style bundle.
Post edited December 01, 2012 by Kristian
Posted December 01, 2012
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Kristian: It would help if people would stop calling my names and stop misrepresenting my views.
Name calling is never OK, off course. Misrepresenting... the problem when you present your views as you have done, very one sided, is that it do not leave any room for discussion. It is either or, take it or leave it. When this is done, the the only options to comply completely, disagree completely or change the initial into something you can deal with. It is also a lot easier to read something into it, as there is not much there. I know you do not like "shades of grey" and you think it is against principles to talk this way, but it can actually be more accurate if you make your statements in a way which do not represent a total polarity, if you do then you will get miss-represented just so people have something to deal with. Does it make sense?
Posted December 01, 2012
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Kristian: It would help if people would stop calling my names and stop misrepresenting my views.
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amok: Name calling is never OK, off course. Misrepresenting... the problem when you present your views as you have done, very one sided, is that it do not leave any room for discussion. It is either or, take it or leave it. When this is done, the the only options to comply completely, disagree completely or change the initial into something you can deal with. It is also a lot easier to read something into it, as there is not much there. I know you do not like "shades of grey" and you think it is against principles to talk this way, but it can actually be more accurate if you make your statements in a way which do not represent a total polarity, if you do then you will get miss-represented just so people have something to deal with. Does it make sense?
I could write a book about the shades of grey thing. It has to do with opposition to post modernism, ethical relativism, etc I probably should never have brought it up. But the post I responded to really stroked me the wrong way. You would never believe the kind of things in brought forth in my mind. The philosophical discussions around all of this is basically off topic to this thread.

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To try to put some words on it, I could say that what I was responding to was a sort of anything goes mentality. A Humble Bundle that Steam only, Windows only? Fine! GOOD. Throwing away all your must cherished beliefs and selling out? YAY!

When people start talking about "pragmatism" being good and "fanaticism" being bad I start to imagine my self as a abolishonist in the times of slavery and people telling me: "We should abolish slavery? Now you are just wacky. Stop being a fanatic. Lets be pragmatic for once"

I am very well aware that this isn't remotely as important as that issue. But the attitude is what I am reacting to. Again this is something books could be written on.
Post edited December 01, 2012 by Kristian
Posted December 01, 2012
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Kristian: When people start talking about "pragmatism" being good and "fanaticism" being bad I start to imagine my self as a abolishonist in the times of slavery and people telling me: "We should abolish slavery? Now you are just wacky. Stop being a fanatic. Lets be pragmatic for once"
So, how about: "All Jews are a danger to society!" That's an extremist view. You may dislike shades of gray, but there are everywhere, we do not live in a binary reality. One DRMed indie bundle will not ruin all DRM-free games in history, DRM-free bundles will not turn all DRMed games into DRM-free. The ratios will probably be more or less the same as long as there are 'open' operating systems. A few games might keep to their DRM because of this bundle. Ironically, a few games will most probably give up DRM because of this bundle. Some will gain, some will lose, everything will be pretty much as it's always been.

A humble bundle with DRM is just not worh getting worked up about until it actually gets widespread, and it's definitely not worth demonizing as much as you do.
Posted December 01, 2012
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Kristian: When people start talking about "pragmatism" being good and "fanaticism" being bad I start to imagine my self as a abolishonist in the times of slavery and people telling me: "We should abolish slavery? Now you are just wacky. Stop being a fanatic. Lets be pragmatic for once"
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Fenixp: So, how about: "All Jews are a danger to society!" That's an extremist view. You may dislike shades of gray, but there are everywhere, we do not live in a binary reality. One DRMed indie bundle will not ruin all DRM-free games in history, DRM-free bundles will not turn all DRMed games into DRM-free. The ratios will probably be more or less the same as long as there are 'open' operating systems. A few games might keep to their DRM because of this bundle. Ironically, a few games will most probably give up DRM because of this bundle. Some will gain, some will lose, everything will be pretty much as it's always been.

A humble bundle with DRM is just not worh getting worked up about until it actually gets widespread, and it's definitely not worth demonizing as much as you do.
"" Ironically, a few games will most probably give up DRM because of this bundle""

Why the heck would any developer remove the DRM from their game due to a DRM only bundle? That makes no sense at all.

"A humble bundle with DRM is just not worh getting worked up about until it actually gets widespread, and it's definitely not worth demonizing as much as you do."

Well I just care much more about DRM free, cross-platform gaming that you do it seems. I care enough to the point that it IS worth demonizing as much as a I have. The thing is I am almost certain that the amount of games that will give up DRM and go cross-platform because of this is 0 and I have a zero tolerance towards even one game that may otherwise have given up its DRM and single platform nature due to this sticking to it.
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