You could've replied to my another boobie giveaway, but that's as good as any indeed ;-)

Thanks a lot! I will keep you posted about if she found that information useful :P

I just want to know when you will admit you are wrong. If the next 10 bundles are all DRM free, would that be sufficient? Or do we have to wait for 20?

Oh certainly.

I went from checking RPS daily to going there once a week or so and usually regretting it, so that won't be hard. Almost every article drips with hipster white knighting elitism pretentiousness and it drives me up the wall.

You mean like this thread? ;-)

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Someone has understood my argument for once! This is what will happen. Bastion and Limbo are very good examples of the sort of games I have been talking about.

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It is not about the number you can have 1000 of them and it would have nothing to do with my argument. It is about what games will be part of those bundles. Certain games will become rarer. Games in particular made by the type of developer that has been very successful and established prior to joining a HIB will now be significantly less likely to join one. Also developers that are very Windows centric and/or DRM centric will be more hesistant now. Like orcishgamer said they may wait until they can get in on the next DRMed Windows only bundle ALA the THQ bundle.

this is an example of why I have a problem with most of your posts. It is not to say that you have some point, but it is the one-sided bombasticness and total surety of own position which really grates...

This is what MAY happen, you do not know if it will or will not happen. I do not know what will or will not happen.

You think something may go one way or another, I think it may go another way. Neither of us know which one is correct until events have unfolded. So just please, tone it down a little, it makes things much better. It also makes conversations more pleasant.

This is a bit like when Good Old Games dropped "old".

Anyway, I think it's pretty cool. I doubt it will be a common thing, and I think that most bundles will continue to be DRM-free - that's a big part of the appeal of the concept, and they know it.

Not that I care, I usually have all the interesting games in their bundles already, and when I don't, I buy the bundles for the Steam-keys.

Well I could see why you'd think that, your definition of 'white knight' seems to have expanded to anyone who likes anything and is willing to defend it :-P

It would help if people would stop calling my names and stop misrepresenting my views

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I would just say that this is matter of how you asses the probabilities, I don't see how this could NOT result in certain developers getting hesistant when confronted with DRM free, cross-platform requirements of a HIB and either wait it out for a THQ style bundle.

Name calling is never OK, off course. Misrepresenting... the problem when you present your views as you have done, very one sided, is that it do not leave any room for discussion. It is either or, take it or leave it. When this is done, the the only options to comply completely, disagree completely or change the initial into something you can deal with. It is also a lot easier to read something into it, as there is not much there. I know you do not like "shades of grey" and you think it is against principles to talk this way, but it can actually be more accurate if you make your statements in a way which do not represent a total polarity, if you do then you will get miss-represented just so people have something to deal with. Does it make sense?

I could write a book about the shades of grey thing. It has to do with opposition to post modernism, ethical relativism, etc I probably should never have brought it up. But the post I responded to really stroked me the wrong way. You would never believe the kind of things in brought forth in my mind. The philosophical discussions around all of this is basically off topic to this thread.

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To try to put some words on it, I could say that what I was responding to was a sort of anything goes mentality. A Humble Bundle that Steam only, Windows only? Fine! GOOD. Throwing away all your must cherished beliefs and selling out? YAY!

When people start talking about "pragmatism" being good and "fanaticism" being bad I start to imagine my self as a abolishonist in the times of slavery and people telling me: "We should abolish slavery? Now you are just wacky. Stop being a fanatic. Lets be pragmatic for once"

I am very well aware that this isn't remotely as important as that issue. But the attitude is what I am reacting to. Again this is something books could be written on.

So, how about: "All Jews are a danger to society!" That's an extremist view. You may dislike shades of gray, but there are everywhere, we do not live in a binary reality. One DRMed indie bundle will not ruin all DRM-free games in history, DRM-free bundles will not turn all DRMed games into DRM-free. The ratios will probably be more or less the same as long as there are 'open' operating systems. A few games might keep to their DRM because of this bundle. Ironically, a few games will most probably give up DRM because of this bundle. Some will gain, some will lose, everything will be pretty much as it's always been.

A humble bundle with DRM is just not worh getting worked up about until it actually gets widespread, and it's definitely not worth demonizing as much as you do.

"" Ironically, a few games will most probably give up DRM because of this bundle""

Why the heck would any developer remove the DRM from their game due to a DRM only bundle? That makes no sense at all.

"A humble bundle with DRM is just not worh getting worked up about until it actually gets widespread, and it's definitely not worth demonizing as much as you do."

Well I just care much more about DRM free, cross-platform gaming that you do it seems. I care enough to the point that it IS worth demonizing as much as a I have. The thing is I am almost certain that the amount of games that will give up DRM and go cross-platform because of this is 0 and I have a zero tolerance towards even one game that may otherwise have given up its DRM and single platform nature due to this sticking to it.