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Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: Don't you see how this could hurt future HIB's?
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gameon: Thats exactly what i said.

But there's nothing i can do or say that will influence/change what they do. I will just pick the right options for myself. If they don't have what i want it's their loss. It's not worth getting worked up about.
Then it seems we mostly agree and just have different emphasis on how important it is. I see this as an earth shattering move for DRM free, cross-platform gaming which is something I am passionate about.
Posted November 30, 2012
With how successful the bundle has been financially, it's possible we could see more like it. But with indie games I think Humble will keep the DRM-free, multi-platform requirements in place for when they do indie bundles, which should be most of the time.
Posted November 30, 2012
Jesus ***** christ...

get laid, whatever...

Seriously people, is this the biggest problem in your lives or in the world?

Get real... and I really "hate" to agree with SimonG ;)

P.S: The real scandal is the censored SR3 for germans ;) ;) ;)
Posted November 30, 2012
I must say, RF: Armageddon is better then expected. It is very linear and must be tweaked to run properly on my system, but when it runs it is still as satisfying running around with a big hammer destroying everything you see. I
Posted November 30, 2012
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mondo84: With how successful the bundle has been financially, it's possible we could see more like it. But with indie games I think Humble will keep the DRM-free, multi-platform requirements in place for when they do indie bundles, which should be most of the time.
But any and all devs who are on the fence about cross-platform and DRM free gaming will demand to get the same treatment as THQ and Humble Bundle Inc will have nothing to counter with. Like I posted on the Phoronix.com forums:
Imagine the conversation:

Humble Bundle: "We would love for you to be in our bundle, you just have to agree to provide use the games in a cross-platform(Windows, Mac, Linux) and DRM free state".
Devs: "We would love to be in your bundle, but we expect to be treated equally and fairly. So obviously you will allow us to provide you with Windows only Steam keys since that only fair."
Humble Bunlde: "Uhm....."

They will have nothing to say at that point in the conversation except to give up or loose out and with this move they have shown that they prefer the latter.
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: words
So you're saying that Humble Bundle runners are spineless pushovers and all the devs (which so up 'till now have been indie ones) start making demands as if they made AAA titles?

Fucking hell, turn off your panic mode before seeing where does the bundle go next.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Profanity
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: words
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Profanity: So you're saying that Humble Bundle runners are spineless pushovers and all the devs (which so up 'till now have been indie ones) start making demands as if they made AAA titles?

Fucking hell, turn off your panic mode before seeing where does the bundle go next.
How is that an argument against what I said?

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Why would the devs that are on the fence with regard to cross-platform and DRM free gaming not demand to be treated equally with THQ? Also your arguments concedes that the Humble Bundle has now made it impossible to ever get a AAA dev or publisher to agree to a cross-platform, DRM free release. Something they may well have achieved otherwise.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Kristian
Posted November 30, 2012
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Profanity: So you're saying that Humble Bundle runners are spineless pushovers and all the devs (which so up 'till now have been indie ones) start making demands as if they made AAA titles?

Fucking hell, turn off your panic mode before seeing where does the bundle go next.
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Kristian: How is that an argument against what I said?
Do you really want me to argue against conjecture? That won't go far.
Posted November 30, 2012
Ok, now there is one thing I am extremely disappointed about: The key page shows "Saints Row: The Third Steam Key (German)". A low violence version of Saint's Row. Right. Well, maybe I'll simply pirate the uncensored version or something. And make sure to lower my purchase price for the next bundle, since I cannot do it retroactively for this bundle. I somehow expected to get the international version, with all the "same dollar price for everyone" etc.
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: How is that an argument against what I said?
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Profanity: Do you really want me to argue against conjecture? That won't go far.
I am curious, I posted the following imagined conversation how do you imagine an alternative, more optimistic ending to it?

Humble Bundle: "We would love for you to be in our bundle, you just have to agree to provide use the games in a cross-platform(Windows, Mac, Linux) and DRM free state".
Devs: "We would love to be in your bundle, but we expect to be treated equally and fairly. So obviously you will allow us to provide you with Windows only Steam keys since that only fair."
Humble Bundle: "Uhm....."

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etna87, your mistake was expecting ANYTHING from the Humble Bundle. They have no standards and don't keep to their word.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Kristian
Posted November 30, 2012
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Profanity: Do you really want me to argue against conjecture? That won't go far.
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Kristian: I am curious, I posted the following imagined conversation how do you imagine an alternative, more optimistic ending to it?

Humble Bundle: "We would love for you to be in our bundle, you just have to agree to provide use the games in a cross-platform(Windows, Mac, Linux) and DRM free state".
Devs: "We would love to be in your bundle, but we expect to be treated equally and fairly. So obviously you will allow us to provide you with Windows only Steam keys since that only fair."
Humble Bundle: "Uhm....."

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etna87, your mistake was expecting ANYTHING from the Humble Bundle. They have no standards and don't keep to their word.
It might be a good idea to create a new thread and post this stuff in the opening post, since you keep repeating the same things here for different people.
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: Humble Bundle: "We would love for you to be in our bundle, you just have to agree to provide use the games in a cross-platform(Windows, Mac, Linux) and DRM free state".
Devs: "We would love to be in your bundle, but we expect to be treated equally and fairly. So obviously you will allow us to provide you with Windows only Steam keys since that only fair."
Humble Bundle: "Uhm....."
HB "uhmm - yes, and we sold 220k bundles in the first 6 hours, made over 1.2 million in just 6 hours. We have a huge user base and we will let you on on the game if you just supply your games with DRM free and cross platform exe.'s... So what do you say guys, are you in?"
devs: "umm, not sure, we like our drm.."
HB: "That's fine, we have a talk with some other devs the other day who would like to get in, soo....."
Devs "Sure, we want a slice of that action"

whooaaaa - I just got this strange feeling of déjà vu
Posted November 30, 2012
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Profanity: Do you really want me to argue against conjecture? That won't go far.
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Kristian: I am curious, I posted the following imagined conversation how do you imagine an alternative, more optimistic ending to it?

Humble Bundle: "We would love for you to be in our bundle, you just have to agree to provide use the games in a cross-platform(Windows, Mac, Linux) and DRM free state".
Devs: "We would love to be in your bundle, but we expect to be treated equally and fairly. So obviously you will allow us to provide you with Windows only Steam keys since that only fair."
Humble Bundle: "Uhm....."
A more optimistic alternative would be that the Humble people don't start bending over backwards for indie developers who don't want to let people download DRM-FREE versions of their game or don't wanna make their games supported by a couple of platforms. And I don't see that they would start to, just because a developer would say HEY, YOU GAVE THQ, A BIG PUBLISHER (granted, a publisher in a bit of a tough spot) THIS KIND OF A TREATMENT AND I NEED ADVERTISEMENT AND MONEY FOM MY NEW INDIE GAME, SO YOU BETTER DO THIS FOR ME OR I'LL BE REALLY MAD.

Now if another big developer whistles, I guess it's likely that this will happen again, but AAA titles get shitloads of attention and shitloads of cash for the charity, plus a hell of a deal on a bunch of pretty damn good games (probably). In this case, I don't even give two shits if it's DRMed.

Now if the usual indie bundles would start being DRMed, that wouldn't be fun, but I don't see that happening.
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: Humble Bundle: "We would love for you to be in our bundle, you just have to agree to provide use the games in a cross-platform(Windows, Mac, Linux) and DRM free state".
Devs: "We would love to be in your bundle, but we expect to be treated equally and fairly. So obviously you will allow us to provide you with Windows only Steam keys since that only fair."
Humble Bundle: "Uhm....."
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amok: HB "uhmm - yes, and we sold 220k bundles in the first 6 hours, made over 1.2 million in just 6 hours. We have a huge user base and we will let you on on the game if you just supply your games with DRM free and cross platform exe.'s... So what do you say guys, are you in?"
devs: "umm, not sure, we like our drm.."
HB: "That's fine, we have a talk with some other devs the other day who would like to get in, soo....."
Devs "Sure, we want a slice of that action"

whooaaaa - I just got this strange feeling of déjà vu
"HB: "That's fine, we have a talk with some other devs the other day who would like to get in, soo....." "

That part is proving to be extremely unrealistic. They didn't do so with THQ. So we have no reason to expect them to do so ever again.

"Devs "Sure, we want a slice of that action" "

This would only ever work with desperate devs. Prior to this, Humble Bundle may have been able to convince some devs that aren't desperate. They will never be able to do that now and THAT is a bad thing.

""uhmm - yes, and we sold 220k bundles in the first 6 hours, made over 1.2 million in just 6 hours."

Using sales numbers from a DRMed Windows only bundle to argue for developers joining a DRM free, cross-platform bundle is disingenuous and developers would see right through it.

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"Now if another big developer whistles, I guess it's likely that this will happen again"

Profanity, exactly. While prior to this they may have gotten some of those big developers on board with a DRM free, cross-platform bundle now they will get none. That is problem. The same is true with some of the bigger, more established indie's.

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On another note Profanity, I like your bending over backwards wording. Since that is exactly what Humble Bundle is doing for THQ.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Kristian
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian:
You can make up things just based on your opinion, I can do so also...so lets see...


HB: "ummm.. nope, that was a once off only, the next bundle will not be handled this way"

HB: "ummm... sure, but then you need to sacrifice more blood to the blood god"

HB :"hmmm... yes off course, let us pay you for the priveledge also"

HB: "ummm... what the f**k, what do you a**wh*pes think you are, get the f**k out of here"

HB: "ummm.. no, sorry, the world is black and white and this proposal do not fit in whit out principles, All discussions are off"

HB: "um.... I have a little pet rabbit, his name is Bob"

I could carry on. Some of them may be a little more realistic then others, all of them having just as much bearing on this conversation as yours. But please, repeat what you said a couple of pages back again. I am sure it can be said for the forth time.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by amok
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