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Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: My source is common sense. Look at the commercial and critical success of Double Fine. They are a highly esteemed dev studio. They, unlike 90%+ of all deves, have been able to retain IP rights for all the games they have done. Thereby proving the amount of leverage they have.

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the above was to kalrion.

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Let me add kalrion that this hurts future "regular" bundles since the likelihood of seeing games debut as cross-platform and/or DRM free in such bundles just dropped to near 0 with the exception of companies that are already passionate about those things.
Hey. not interested in the argument you seem to be having, but you do know that you can REPLY to a post? That would save you the trouble of editing the post to clarify for whom it was meant. It's a really simple system. Useful, too.

Also, your way is annoying.

EDIT: Oh, you seem to have gotten it in the last message.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Profanity
Posted November 30, 2012
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keeveek: Games requiring steam for multiplayer = DRM

Games requiring CD keys for multiplayer = NO DRM ?

How does it make sense?
No, games requiring Steam/CD key for multiplayer = NO DRM

Games requiring Steam/CD key for single player = DRM
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koima57: I'll get low rated as hell for writing this but damn, that's a lot of "DRM Free" entitlement and whining from our community.. As far as i can tell, that's "Humble" enough for THQ to contribute to charity and setting such a low price tag for their products, a real steal of a deal. Soo, take it or leave it. Period!
Good god. How hard is it to understand that people aren't complaining about not wanting this because it's Steam only, they're complaining about the Humble Bundle's loss of founding principles and the bigger picture.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by SirPrimalform
Posted November 30, 2012
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keeveek: Games requiring steam for multiplayer = DRM

Games requiring CD keys for multiplayer = NO DRM ?

How does it make sense?
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SirPrimalform: No, games requiring Steam/CD key for multiplayer = NO DRM

Games requiring Steam/CD key for single player = DRM
You keep using that word but I don't think it means what you think it means.

I think you mean "intrusive DRM*"? A CD key or a Steam check is certainly managing the digital rights of the developer/publisher, even if the game is being played by more than one person.

*Note that intrusive DRM's definition will change depending upon the person using it and their situation. An example: Steam isn't in intrusive to me. But if I were deployed to Iraq, it most certainly would be.
Posted November 30, 2012
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SimonG: No they haven't.

This is a Humble Bundle.

Not an Humble indie Bundle.

You might find that a superficial difference, but is is a lot more different than just a name. They humble guys at DRM'd games on their "store" before, so that is not new.

The humble guys are opening themselves up to new venues. The Humble Indie Bundles will remain as usual.
Dude, he directly quoted Jeffrey Rosen: "the polar opposite of what the humble bundle is about!"
Posted November 30, 2012
Please guys, quit screwing the dead horse (is that the expression?). This bundle is selling like crazy. Proving it was right idea.
Posted November 30, 2012
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SirPrimalform: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/992948/drm-free.PNG
Sorry, but up until now DRM-free was very much one of the core principles. Just because PWYW and giving some of the money to charity are the only ones that remain doesn't mean that there weren't more originally.
I already had this discussion. Check the thread. With EXACTLY that screenshot.
Posted November 30, 2012
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keeveek: Please guys, quit screwing the dead horse (is that the expression?). This bundle is selling like crazy. Proving it was right idea.
Beating a dead horse
Posted November 30, 2012
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keeveek: Please guys, quit screwing the dead horse (is that the expression?). This bundle is selling like crazy. Proving it was right idea.
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gameon: Beating a dead horse
I like keeveeks more ...

Everybody who is offended should just not buy it.

At the end, we will know how important DRM free is to the success of the humble bundles.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by SimonG
Posted November 30, 2012
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gameon: Beating a dead horse
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SimonG: I like keeveeks more ...
I guess you could use that expression every time a humble bundle argument crops up, lol.
Posted November 30, 2012
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amok: (In case you did not notice, I am feeling quite confident that I will be right)
By right, I hope you don't mean "all the games are DRM-free" because that's not what Kristian is arguing. For you to be right, there have to be games making their DRM-free and cross platform debut.
Posted November 30, 2012
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keeveek: Please guys, quit screwing the dead horse (is that the expression?). This bundle is selling like crazy. Proving it was right idea.
Whether it was the right idea, a good idea or whatever else, can we PLEASE stop with the argument that anything popular is correct? It's the stupidest way to defend pretty much ANYTHING.
Posted November 30, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Whether it was the right idea, a good idea or whatever else, can we PLEASE stop with the argument that anything popular is correct? It's the stupidest way to defend pretty much ANYTHING.
Not when it comes to business decisions ....

And in the context of how important DRM free is as a market factor, popular opinion is the only thing that counts.

Only because you don't agree with the unwashed masses doesn't mean your position is in any way, shape or form better.
Posted November 30, 2012
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liquidsnakehpks: ? so you think its easy to convert em into drm free games just like that ? this is not using no cd cracks to make em drm free like someone has done before, even gog could not sell witcher 2 drm free on their game at first , the drm was removed later in a patch , so imagine for thq. i dont see the terms anywhere ? what terms?
No, the DRM was removed from the retail version with a patch. GOG's one was already DRM-free.
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liquidsnakehpks: i dont see any mention there that the bundles must always be drm free ? or indies only
...that's because you looked on Wikipedia and someone has already updated the page. -_-;
Post edited November 30, 2012 by SirPrimalform
Posted November 30, 2012
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amok: (In case you did not notice, I am feeling quite confident that I will be right)
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SirPrimalform: By right, I hope you don't mean "all the games are DRM-free" because that's not what Kristian is arguing. For you to be right, there have to be games making their DRM-free and cross platform debut.
yes, that the next HIB will be normal HIB bundle, DRM free and cross platform, and that HIB will not have any problems at all continuing getting developers onto the HIB (Cross platform and DRM free) bundles.

This has only opened up an option for HB to have yet another themed bundle, and there may be more of them also.

If Kristian is right this spells the death and doom for anything DRM free and cross platform for HB from now on, and they will not be able to sign up any developer for it again, NEVER.... also - GOG will go bankrupt within one year....

(SIdenote - I have been wondering if I should be mad that they only sell Android bundles as I have an iPhone. hmmm..... that's not very cross platform either, even though many of the games in those bundles are on iPhone also)
Posted November 30, 2012
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SimonG: Not when it comes to business decisions ....

And in the context of how important DRM free is as a market factor, popular opinion is the only thing that counts.
And consumers don't care about what their food is made of or how many jobs were shipped overseas to make their clothes or how many toxins were put in the water at the factory and whatever else. I am surprised to hear a European spout principles basically in line with pure free market Libertarianism.

Sometimes consumers don't know what's good for them.

I am not saying this is one of those times. For like the billionth time I said in the first couple pages most consumers would outright prefer a Steam key to a DRM free executable. I am just saying spouting popular opinion as instantly correct is silly, or else slavery and a ton of other shit is correct too. Hell Germany in 1935 or so proves how well popular opinion works as a judge of morality.

It's an argument that grates every time I read it, no matter what the subject.
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