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Profanity: Anyway, any Titan Quest players here? I'm wondering how much does the expansion actually change the game, because I've heard that it changes the base game mechanics positively.
It changes the game quite a bit, and throws in quite a few interesting additions. It's basically like Lord of Destruction for Diablo II, acting as an update to the original. During christmas, you'll be able to get it cheap, wait for that until you start playing.

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AndrewC: Do I really need to go through this thread and bring back all the arguments made against your case, both by Fenixp and by others? Come on now.
Damn you for ruining my ninja-edit.
Post edited December 08, 2012 by Fenixp
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Kristian: Exactly, I specifically named (some of) my reasons for reaching my conclusion. All Fenixp responded with was a bare assertion that will go nowhere. He didn't interact with my point about incentives at all.
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AndrewC: Do I really need to go through this thread and bring back all the arguments made against your case, both by Fenixp and by others? Come on now.
There are no such arguments to bring back.
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Profanity: Anyway, any Titan Quest players here? I'm wondering how much does the expansion actually change the game, because I've heard that it changes the base game mechanics positively. Not sure should I start the game or wait for the bundle to be over, maybe they'll drop in the expansion before that!
Quite a lot. The expansion makes it into the game it is supposed to be...
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AndrewC: Do I really need to go through this thread and bring back all the arguments made against your case, both by Fenixp and by others? Come on now.
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Kristian: There are no such arguments to bring back.
That you don't accept them as arguments is your issue, just as what you state as fact isn't really anything more than an opinion/speculation.
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Profanity: Anyway, any Titan Quest players here? I'm wondering how much does the expansion actually change the game, because I've heard that it changes the base game mechanics positively.
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Fenixp: It changes the game quite a bit, and throws in quite a few interesting additions. It's basically like Lord of Destruction for Diablo II, acting as an update to the original. During christmas, you'll be able to get it cheap, wait for that until you start playing.

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AndrewC: Do I really need to go through this thread and bring back all the arguments made against your case, both by Fenixp and by others? Come on now.
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Fenixp: Damn you for ruining my ninja-edit.
Yeah, I'd definitely want LoD before starting Diablo. Thanks!
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Fenixp: It changes the game quite a bit, and throws in quite a few interesting additions. It's basically like Lord of Destruction for Diablo II, acting as an update to the original. During christmas, you'll be able to get it cheap, wait for that until you start playing.
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Profanity: Yeah, I'd definitely want LoD before starting Diablo. Thanks!
Just as a heads up, that game has one of the most poorly optimized engines I've seen (Magicka seems to be the only one who's performing worse on great machines) and the expansion addresses that to some degree.
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Kristian: There are no such arguments to bring back.
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AndrewC: That you don't accept them as arguments is your issue, just as what you state as fact isn't really anything more than an opinion/speculation.
Which part? Don't people care about incentives? Wasn't Humble Bundle a huge driving force for getting new games ported to Linux? Won't the huge success of the THQ bundle lead to future Windows only bundles? Won't developers otherwise hesitant about porting their games to Linux wait for those future Windows only bundles? Isn't it the case that that would have been impossible if Humble Bundle had continued on with a strict cross-platform only stance? Isn't it the case that if Humble Bundle has kept their strict cross-platform stance some developers would have been conviced to bring their games to Linux just like they did with for example nearly all games in Humble Android Bundle 3 and Humble Indie Bundle V? Isn't it the case that people want to be treated fairly and equally?
I got the feeling Kristian won't be happy until every Humble Bundle will be PC Steam exclusive.....
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SimonG: I got the feeling Kristian won't be happy until every Humble Bundle will be PC Steam exclusive.....
Oooor, he is the head of the Humble Bundle and isn't letting go because he knows that his own company will be going in that direction, so he could be right on some forum on the internet... yeah.
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Kristian: Which part? Don't people care about incentives? Wasn't Humble Bundle a huge driving force for getting new games ported to Linux? Won't the huge success of the THQ bundle lead to future Windows only bundles? Won't developers otherwise hesitant about porting their games to Linux wait for those future Windows only bundles? Isn't it the case that that would have been impossible if Humble Bundle had continued on with a strict cross-platform only stance? Isn't it the case that if Humble Bundle has kept their strict cross-platform stance some developers would have been conviced to bring their games to Linux just like they did with for example nearly all games in Humble Android Bundle 3 and Humble Indie Bundle V? Isn't it the case that people want to be treated fairly and equally?
http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/281031-prior-bundle-statistics

See those reasonably big blue and green portions on all those delicious pizza charts?
They're a good reason why this probably won't happen in an Indie bundle.

Indie developers might want to be treated fairly and equally, but they're not equal to THQ. Not by a long shot, as far as public opinion goes (we here on GOG understand their games can be as good or better, but production values are worth a lot for the general public).

Also, as shown in those charts, it would only be worse for them, as Linux and Mac users pay a lot. I'd say THQ is the one missing an opportunity here.

So, don't worry, I don't think HIB is going to be making a lot of exceptions to their rules (they've done some before, anyway).
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SimonG: I got the feeling Kristian won't be happy until every Humble Bundle will be PC Steam exclusive.....
You would be very very wrong about that.
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Kristian: ...
So many sexies in one place, that is so marvelous! Uuu, I know, I'll do some of my own. Here we go, reprecussions of THQ humble:
Won't the world explode because of all the money spent? Won't war efforts be fueled by money that went to so-called charities? Won't chemtrails affect our judgement on cross-platform, DRM-free gaming now that people see Windows only games sell the best? Won't lowered standards by humble bundle lead to youngsters abusing drugs, sex and rock and roll?
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Kristian: Which part? Don't people care about incentives?
Yes, like getting on the bundle to make many sales. HB can demand cross-platform and DRM as usually, saying that this was only a one of bundle., or special themed bundles only.

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Kristian: Wasn't Humble Bundle a huge driving force for getting new games ported to Linux?
Debatable - the movement was there before HB, and there are also other actors, like Steam wanting to start with Linux compatibility. The impact of HiB is unknown.

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Kristian: Won't the huge success of the THQ bundle lead to future Windows only bundles?
Maybe. But it do not need to change HiB's, but open up the possibilities of more themed bundles. This is not necessarily a bad thing.

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Kristian: Won't developers otherwise hesitant about porting their games to Linux wait for those future Windows only bundles?
Not if this a condition set by HB to be included in the next HiB. Any way - future windows only bundles will be windows only. This do not mean every bundle from now will be windows only, but there may be more bundles (which is good!)

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Kristian: Isn't it the case that that would have been impossible if Humble Bundle had continued on with a strict cross-platform only stance?
Not at all - this things are not mutually exclusive. Most people tend to be very good making distinctions and not treat every situation as polar opposition.

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Kristian: Isn't it the case that if Humble Bundle has kept their strict cross-platform stance some developers would have been conviced to bring their games to Linux just like they did with for example nearly all games in Humble Android Bundle 3 and Humble Indie Bundle V?
it is more likely to happen because of Steam aiming for Linux market right now... Anyway, not all games are easily ported, and a to strict restriction will in the end exclude some by default.

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Kristian: Isn't it the case that people want to be treated fairly and equally?
Yes, but for some reasons you are set out to make sure that some games will not be done so - i.e. those which can not be ported and those to tied up with steamworks

And that is mine facts.
Post edited December 08, 2012 by amok
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Kristian: Which part? Don't people care about incentives? Wasn't Humble Bundle a huge driving force for getting new games ported to Linux? Won't the huge success of the THQ bundle lead to future Windows only bundles? Won't developers otherwise hesitant about porting their games to Linux wait for those future Windows only bundles? Isn't it the case that that would have been impossible if Humble Bundle had continued on with a strict cross-platform only stance? Isn't it the case that if Humble Bundle has kept their strict cross-platform stance some developers would have been conviced to bring their games to Linux just like they did with for example nearly all games in Humble Android Bundle 3 and Humble Indie Bundle V? Isn't it the case that people want to be treated fairly and equally?
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Drakhyrr: http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/281031-prior-bundle-statistics

See those reasonably big blue and green portions on all those delicious pizza charts?
They're a good reason why this probably won't happen in an Indie bundle.

Indie developers might want to be treated fairly and equally, but they're not equal to THQ. Not by a long shot, as far as public opinion goes (we here on GOG understand their games can be as good or better, but production values are worth a lot for the general public).

Also, as shown in those charts, it would only be worse for them, as Linux and Mac users pay a lot. I'd say THQ is the one missing an opportunity here.

So, don't worry, I don't think HIB is going to be making a lot of exceptions to their rules (they've done some before, anyway).
The problem with the data argument is that so far except for Humble Indie Bundle V(and even that is still subject to change) this bundle has been by far the most successful one financially and I am sure Humble Bundle will want to replicate that be offering future DRMed, single platform bundles and developers will know that and some of them will wait for those to come around.
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SimonG: I got the feeling Kristian won't be happy until every Humble Bundle will be PC Steam exclusive.....
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Kristian: You would be very very wrong about that.
Why? Because you can then finally tell us "told you so".

Because when the next HIB comes out, and it won't be this way. You will say "but wait". Then the next HAB comes out, and you will say "but wait". Unless there won't be any Steam free/Linux bundles anymore, you will say "this is no indication, just wait"
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Fenixp: ? Won't lowered standards by humble bundle lead to youngsters abusing drugs, sex and rock and roll?
Define "abusing"....
Post edited December 08, 2012 by SimonG