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Posted December 02, 2012
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Gremmi: By that logic, the GOG downloader is DRM as it requires you to login to use it.
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IronStar: It's not, as you can get full functionality without it.
Well, no, because the client offers faster chunked downloads with pause/resume and so on, functionality you wouldn't get with the website downloads.

And this is still ignoring the fact that you're talking about the DRM of the client. Everyone else is talking about the DRM of the games themselves.
Post edited December 02, 2012 by Gremmi
Posted December 02, 2012
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IronStar: If it's DRM free, than it doesn't check anything, it just allows you to sync it, then anyone can use it, even those who didn't pay for it.

I think it's ine of primary reasons why GOG doesn't offer it at the first place.
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Gremmi: You're now talking about the DRM of the -client- rather than the DRM of the games.
But it's still DRM, and you don't get full functionality without it.
Posted December 02, 2012
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Kristian: I am not totally certain either way, but the more I think about it the more I tend to think it isn't Digital Rights/Restrictions Management since no rights/restrictions are being managed but a service is being offered.
Can I just say that if you want to have this discussion then use the terms correctly? It is digital RIGHTS management. digital RESTRICTION management is only used by the anti-drm league and shifts the goal posts to a point it is a useless discussion. There is no use for any digital RESTRICTION management for the end user, but it can be argued that digital RIGHTS management can have some benefits.
Posted December 02, 2012
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IronStar: It's not, as you can get full functionality without it.
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Gremmi: Well, no, because the client offers faster chunked downloads with pause/resume and so on, functionality you wouldn't get with the website downloads.

And this is still ignoring the fact that you're talking about the DRM of the client. Everyone else is talking about the DRM of the games themselves.
I get full speed download from site, so it doesn't bother me too much. :)

I was mostly refering to amok's list and DRM-free cloud saving, but it may have disappeared among the lines.
Posted December 02, 2012
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IronStar: But it's still DRM, and you don't get full functionality without it.
What is "full functionality"? Surely "full functionality" of the games themselves is literally just being able to play them?

Let's put it another way - do you think third-party clients that add extra features to games (such as X-Fire, which adds community and multiplayer matchup features, or Raptr, which adds stat logging, achievements and (I believe) cloud-saving options) are DRM? Are people who play games without them missing "full functionality"?
Post edited December 02, 2012 by Gremmi
Posted December 02, 2012
Why is this thread still going?

This is the worst thread in the history of this forum, seriously.
Posted December 02, 2012
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IronStar: But it's still DRM, and you don't get full functionality without it.
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Gremmi: What is "full functionality"? Surely "full functionality" of the games themselves is literally just being able to play them?

Let's put it another way - do you think third-party clients that add extra features to games (such as X-Fire, which adds community and multiplayer matchup features, or Raptr, which adds stat logging, achievements and (I believe) cloud-saving options) are DRM? Are people who play games without them missing "full functionality"?
Full functionality=everything you paid for. They are not missing it as those are.extra 3rd party services.
Posted December 02, 2012
To bring an end to this:

Low intrusive DRM has benefits that DRM free packages cannot offer.

DRM free packages have benefits that DRM negates.

DRM free packages should still be sold, but, to avoid exploitation, receive less service. The service must be tied to DRM to avoid exploitation and costs for the service provider.

DRM free games should also be sold only at the EU/US tier of pricing, to avoid exploitation.

DRM free games should only come with an installer and not with additional codes, to avoid exploitation.

Can everybody agree on this?
Post edited December 02, 2012 by SimonG
Posted December 02, 2012
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SimonG: To bring an end to this
Why would you want to do that? What's wrong with you man?
Posted December 02, 2012
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IronStar: Full functionality=everything you paid for.
You paid to be able to re-download the games... and yet you cannot re-download them without being logged, do you call that DRM ? after all you are missing on the "full functionality" if you are not logged.
Post edited December 02, 2012 by Gersen
Posted December 02, 2012
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Foxhack: Why is this thread still going?

This is the worst thread in the history of this forum, seriously.
People have to blow off some steam. (no pun intended)

Even worse than gluteus maximus one? Or Roman5 is always right? But seriously, there is no point in arguing here.
Posted December 02, 2012
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SimonG: To bring an end to this
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lowyhong: Why would you want to do that? What's wrong with you man?
My goal was thousand posts. I had my fun ;-).
Posted December 02, 2012
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Gremmi: What is "full functionality"? Surely "full functionality" of the games themselves is literally just being able to play them?

Let's put it another way - do you think third-party clients that add extra features to games (such as X-Fire, which adds community and multiplayer matchup features, or Raptr, which adds stat logging, achievements and (I believe) cloud-saving options) are DRM? Are people who play games without them missing "full functionality"?
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IronStar: Full functionality=everything you paid for. They are not missing it as those are.extra 3rd party services.
And on GOG you pay for the games. You wouldn't pay for the client. I'm not missing anything because Zork doesn't include cloud-saves or auto-updating. It never had those to begin with. Extra functionality is just that - extra.
Posted December 02, 2012
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Gersen: You paid to be able to re-download the games... and yet you cannot re-download them without being logged, do you call that DRM ? after all you are missing on the "full functionality" if you are not logged.
It is quite clearly DRM. But is is not tied to the game.
Posted December 02, 2012
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IronStar: Full functionality=everything you paid for.
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Gersen: You paid to be able to re-download the games... and yet you cannot re-download them without being logged, do you call that DRM ? after all you are missing on the "full functionality" if you are not logged.
Hmm...it still doesn't require another program that I have to download and log into.
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IronStar: Full functionality=everything you paid for. They are not missing it as those are.extra 3rd party services.
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Gremmi: And on GOG you pay for the games. You wouldn't pay for the client. I'm not missing anything because Zork doesn't include cloud-saves or auto-updating. It never had those to begin with. Extra functionality is just that - extra.
Atm, yes. If they included cloud saves as an option than I payed for that too. I think we agree on this one?
Post edited December 02, 2012 by IronStar
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