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Ahh thats info I never knew, in that case the outrage seems somewhat more justified but still should be directed at courtney love
Get this. Kobain's model can be used with the rest of the game. This video shows just what Kobain looks like singing You Give Love a Bad Name along XBox Avatars and some chick with a top hat and angel wings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuAoEW5MbI
There's something surreal about Kobain yelling "YEAH, BOOOYYEEE!"
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Aliasalpha: What makes Kobain special then? I don't remember him going on about money grubbing corporate evil too much, no more than any other muso who nevertheless bent over and took it for the sake of having his albums published.
Now if they made Standup Comedy Hero and had Bill Hicks as a character (especially as paid DLC), THEN I'd be sharing this level of outrage because he had a very definite stated opinion on matters of this nature
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StingingVelvet: I am not the biggest Nivana fan, so someone else might want to clarify it, but as I understand it he hated the fact he became merchandise, became MTV, and that was one of the reasons he killed himself... to stop that from continuing, and out of depression he already allowed it to happen.

Here I thought it was large amounts of heroin and poor judgment .
No, but seriously, I'm a big Nirvana fan. MTV per se never really factored into it, though I think the Fame did - so did disappointing the DIY/Punk Seattle grunge scene ethos which frowned on success. He talks about it in the interviews of Nirvana - Live! Tonight! Sold Out!
One of the big things was that he hated performing live. He wasn't very good at it either, if you watched any of their shows. Performance anxiety, I suppose. He talks about it in his suicide note. Of course, it's addressed to his imaginary friend so take it fwiw. I'm guessing he was pretty high. His suicide letter is basically a textbook depression letter. He never mentions MTV. He mostly talks about things like losing interest in things he once found fun, disappointing others, etc.
I kind of doubt he'd approve of GH given his hatred of public performance and his general hatred of GnR (fights, much?) hair metal and the concept of the "rock star" itself, but who knows, maybe if he took some anti-depressants he'd have been fine with it. I don't find it particularly distasteful. I find it most weird that he's included in RS because he couldn't play guitar very well. Great songwriter, terrible guitarist.
edit: LOL, I just watched shot through the heart video. Yeah, no way in hell he'd approve this. I think he's a classic rock figure, so he's fair game, but I could see outrage. Blame Courtney.
Post edited September 01, 2009 by cioran
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TheCheese33: Get this. Kobain's model can be used with the rest of the game. This video shows just what Kobain looks like singing You Give Love a Bad Name along XBox Avatars and some chick with a top hat and angel wings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuAoEW5MbI
There's something surreal about Kobain yelling "YEAH, BOOOYYEEE!"

Bugger that, the top thing in that video is the skeleton drummer with spikes in his skull, now THAT'S metal! I'd like to meet his necromancer, I have an idea that requires a few hundred thousand animated skeletons...
I'll be the first to admit that I'm out of touch with popular culture (I think its one of my better features) but if someone showed me that video last week I'd have described the singer as "generic scummy rock star #327"
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StingingVelvet: I am not the biggest Nivana fan, so someone else might want to clarify it, but as I understand it he hated the fact he became merchandise, became MTV, and that was one of the reasons he killed himself... to stop that from continuing, and out of depression he already allowed it to happen.
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cioran: Here I thought it was large amounts of heroin and poor judgment .
No, but seriously, I'm a big Nirvana fan. MTV per se never really factored into it, though I think the Fame did - so did disappointing the DIY/Punk Seattle grunge scene ethos which frowned on success. He talks about it in the interviews of Nirvana - Live! Tonight! Sold Out!
One of the big things was that he hated performing live. He wasn't very good at it either, if you watched any of their shows. Performance anxiety, I suppose. He talks about it in his suicide note. Of course, it's addressed to his imaginary friend so take it fwiw. I'm guessing he was pretty high. His suicide letter is basically a textbook depression letter. He never mentions MTV. He mostly talks about things like losing interest in things he once found fun, disappointing others, etc.
I kind of doubt he'd approve of GH given his hatred of public performance and his general hatred of GnR (fights, much?) hair metal and the concept of the "rock star" itself, but who knows, maybe if he took some anti-depressants he'd have been fine with it. I don't find it particularly distasteful. I find it most weird that he's included in RS because he couldn't play guitar very well. Great songwriter, terrible guitarist.
edit: LOL, I just watched shot through the heart video. Yeah, no way in hell he'd approve this. I think he's a classic rock figure, so he's fair game, but I could see outrage. Blame Courtney.

But he didnt kill himself. Courtney love had him killed. :D
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drmlessgames: But he didnt kill himself. Courtney love had him killed. :D

+1
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drmlessgames: But he didnt kill himself. Courtney love had him killed. :D
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Wraith: +1

Thank you!! And yeah, that dumb talentless b**ch of a wife he had knew she didnt have half the talent he did, so she took him out, and cashed in on his death, all those years, until these days. Kinda in a way what goes around comes around, since dave grohl still has his foo fighters thing going , while she is now a 45+ something has-been who wears black shades when/if occasionally a photgrapher takes a picture of her buying shoes in a hollywood store. :D
Post edited September 01, 2009 by drmlessgames
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Wraith: +1
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drmlessgames: Thank you!! And yeah, that dumb talentless b**ch of a wife he had knew she didnt have half the talent he did, so she took him out, and cashed in on his death, all those years, until these days. Kinda in a way what goes around comes around, since dave grohl still has his foo fighters thing going , while she is now a 45+ something has-been who wears black shades when/if occasionally a photgrapher takes a picture of her buying shoes in a hollywood store. :D

Whats worse is I go to her college.
*UPDATE*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post edited September 02, 2009 by Wraith
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drmlessgames: Thank you!! And yeah, that dumb talentless b**ch of a wife he had knew she didnt have half the talent he did, so she took him out, and cashed in on his death, all those years, until these days. Kinda in a way what goes around comes around, since dave grohl still has his foo fighters thing going , while she is now a 45+ something has-been who wears black shades when/if occasionally a photgrapher takes a picture of her buying shoes in a hollywood store. :D
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Wraith: Whats worse is I go to her college.
*UPDATE*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow... that's just terrible. I mean, I was really bothered by that, truthfuly.
I'm sure the fact I think these games are stupid to begin with plays a part in that, but damn... just, how can someone not be bothered by a polygonal Curt Cobain singing Bon Jovi songs next to a marketing directed Microsoft Avatar and a polygonal piece of T&A?
So when its hendrix prancing like a twat singing some girly pop shit its fine but not when cobain does it?
As an example, lets pretend that the rock band & guitar hero games have every song. When the beatles rock band comes out, you can have john lennon singing Cutting Crew's "Died in your arms tonight". Is this better or worse than cobain? What about Tupac being able to do ozzy osbourne's "Shot in the dark"? Or Mama Cass doing a cover of Tori Amos' "That's What I Like Mick (The Sandwich Song)"? (yes its not how she died but its the popular rumour). Janis Joplin singing ozzy's "Suicide solution"?
How do you protect the apparently cherished memory of all these people without locking them into performing their own material and nothing else? Wouldn.t help John Denver singing "Leaving On A Jet Plane"...
Post edited September 02, 2009 by Aliasalpha
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Aliasalpha: So when its hendrix prancing like a twat singing some girly pop shit its fine but not when cobain does it?
As an example, lets pretend that the rock band & guitar hero games have every song. When the beatles rock band comes out, you can have john lennon singing Cutting Crew's "Died in your arms tonight". Is this better or worse than cobain? What about Tupac being able to do ozzy osbourne's "Shot in the dark"? Or Mama Cass doing a cover of Tori Amos' "That's What I Like Mick (The Sandwich Song)"? (yes its not how she died but its the popular rumour). Janis Joplin singing ozzy's "Suicide solution"?
How do you protect the apparently cherished memory of all these people without locking them into performing their own material and nothing else? Wouldn.t help John Denver singing "Leaving On A Jet Plane"...

Agree somewhat. The guy's a classic rock figure. It's a stupid game. *shrugs* I can definitely see why someone would be upset if it's their favorite rock figure and thinks it's too soon (it has been nearly 15 years, though), but all I have to say is:
a) it's a fairly silly game, get over it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I probably won't. Not so much because of KC, but because everyone of these games has been exactly the same since GH3.
b) It's Courtney Love. I find it shocking how tasteful licensing has been. I'm surprised she hasn't put Cobain's likeness on a line of commemorative spoons and shotguns by now. Seriously, blame her. She could've said no quite easily.
Post edited September 02, 2009 by cioran
While I dislike the Beatles immensely, the prospect of seeing John Lennon sing Rebel Girl has win all over it.
Also, keep in mind when watching that video that is is 100% the players choice to have Kurt Cobain as the singer. He is not randomly chosen as far as I know. I bought the game yesterday, but I only played a little while just so I could do Du Hast, Kryptonite, and Ring of Fire.
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Aliasalpha: So when its hendrix prancing like a twat singing some girly pop shit its fine but not when cobain does it?
As an example, lets pretend that the rock band & guitar hero games have every song. When the beatles rock band comes out, you can have john lennon singing Cutting Crew's "Died in your arms tonight". Is this better or worse than cobain? What about Tupac being able to do ozzy osbourne's "Shot in the dark"? Or Mama Cass doing a cover of Tori Amos' "That's What I Like Mick (The Sandwich Song)"? (yes its not how she died but its the popular rumour). Janis Joplin singing ozzy's "Suicide solution"?
How do you protect the apparently cherished memory of all these people without locking them into performing their own material and nothing else? Wouldn.t help John Denver singing "Leaving On A Jet Plane"...
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cioran: Agree somewhat. The guy's a classic rock figure. It's a stupid game. *shrugs* I can definitely see why someone would be upset if it's their favorite rock figure and thinks it's too soon (it has been nearly 15 years, though), but all I have to say is:
a) it's a fairly silly game, get over it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I probably won't. Not so much because of KC, but because everyone of these games has been exactly the same since GH3.
b) It's Courtney Love. I find it shocking how tasteful licensing has been. I'm surprised she hasn't put Cobain's likeness on a line of commemorative spoons and shotguns by now. Seriously, blame her. She could've said no quite easily.

I dont think it matters much if she says no anymore. Remember some years back, when a
box collection of unreleased tracks from her deceased husband's band, you know 'em, was about to be released, she tried by all means to stop it. Then, the other 2 former band members, Dave Grohl and Chris Novoselic, basically told courtney to go f*** herself, and the release came out as planned. It's like she cant hold anything related to kurt cobain hostage anymore.
Seriously, what's the fuzz about singlying out kurt cobain? It's just another VERY big recognizable figure content for Activision to add to their game franchise, that's all to them. Maybe it's because it's your favorite musician? It's business. Shirley Manson from Garbage is there too, no fuzz about her? Is it because it's a dead musician? Jimi Hendrix is there too, no one sticks up for Jimi?
btw, I find hilarious her comments of the GH trailer for Garbage. I find hilarious how she *HAS* to say something *important* about "rock music not getting enough mediums to reach big audiences these days, and how guitar hero is providing this outlet for younger generations". Blah blah, what a load of crap, for a paid advertisement. It's just a somewhat stupid, but fun game. Why not just take the money Activision paid you to license your face and music and just STFU.
Post edited September 02, 2009 by drmlessgames
I'd licence a lot more than just her face...
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Wraith: Whats worse is I go to her college.
*UPDATE*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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StingingVelvet: Wow... that's just terrible. I mean, I was really bothered by that, truthfuly.
I'm sure the fact I think these games are stupid to begin with plays a part in that, but damn... just, how can someone not be bothered by a polygonal Curt Cobain singing Bon Jovi songs next to a marketing directed Microsoft Avatar and a polygonal piece of T&A?

I found it hilarious. And the song selection was just amazing. Guess who gives love a bad name? :D