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nmillar: Rodzaju has so far failed to adequately respond to the question about why he continued to suspect me when several people had posted links or quoted text that proved I was the white knight.
I have answered this several times.
At the time that these links were being posted, you were also claiming to own a broken lance.
I have never found any evidence of this lance.

I have aksed you about this several times.
You have never adequately responded.
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Rodzaju: I have answered this several times.
At the time that these links were being posted, you were also claiming to own a broken lance.
I have never found any evidence of this lance.

I have aksed you about this several times.
You have never adequately responded.
nmillar in 'having already responded to this' shocker: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_mafia_5_terror_in_wonderland/post443
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nmillar: nmillar in 'having already responded to this' shocker: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_mafia_5_terror_in_wonderland/post443
Not that it matters anyhow, since you're clearly not scum, since I would be dead right now and you'd have won if you were.
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nmillar: nmillar in 'having already responded to this' shocker: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_mafia_5_terror_in_wonderland/post443
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Orryyrro: Not that it matters anyhow, since you're clearly not scum, since I would be dead right now and you'd have won if you were.
Which begs the question; why is Rodzaju still accusing me?
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Orryyrro: Not that it matters anyhow, since you're clearly not scum, since I would be dead right now and you'd have won if you were.
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nmillar: Which begs the question; why is Rodzaju still accusing me?
precisely
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Orryyrro: Not that it matters anyhow, since you're clearly not scum, since I would be dead right now and you'd have won if you were.
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nmillar: Which begs the question; why is Rodzaju still accusing me?
I am not accusing you.
I am mainly responding to the accusations you have thrown my way.
I then add a few extra thoughts here & there as they occur to me.

When I said "it looks like you have arbitrarily decided that I am scum and you are now looking ofr evidence to prove your point." your responded with "That's how the game is played."
I fundamentally disagree with this.
I believe that the evidence should come first, rather than the verdict coming first.
I then asked why you would be doing this.

If I was of a mind to accuse you, I'm sure I do at least as good a job of character assasination on you, or even Vitek.
There just doesn't seem much point at this time, and, as I said, I believe that the evidence should point to the culprit, rather than the other way round.
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Rodzaju: When I said "it looks like you have arbitrarily decided that I am scum and you are now looking ofr evidence to prove your point." your responded with "That's how the game is played."
I fundamentally disagree with this.
I believe that the evidence should come first, rather than the verdict coming first.
I then asked why you would be doing this.
Okay, I admit; that bit of my post was wrong (mainly due to me being on my high horse and just going with the flow), but I totally agree with you about evidence coming first. The evidence in this case being post 594, as I outlined in post 663 above.
The "Sentence first -- verdict afterwards" reminder

It's 23 hours (and a quarter) before sunset.
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Rodzaju: When I said "it looks like you have arbitrarily decided that I am scum and you are now looking ofr evidence to prove your point." your responded with "That's how the game is played."
I fundamentally disagree with this.
I believe that the evidence should come first, rather than the verdict coming first.
I then asked why you would be doing this.
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nmillar: Okay, I admit; that bit of my post was wrong (mainly due to me being on my high horse and just going with the flow), but I totally agree with you about evidence coming first. The evidence in this case being post 594, as I outlined in post 663 above.
That post is my explanation for why I believe Orry to be the scum, following on from the timing of his hammer of violator in relation to me drawing a link between the two of them..
I see nothing there that incriminates me.

Just like, in the post you linked to above, I see nothing about what happened to your lance.
You just say that it is mentioned in your role PM.
If this is so, why was it not in your room when I searched it?
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Rodzaju: Just like, in the post you linked to above, I see nothing about what happened to your lance.
You just say that it is mentioned in your role PM.
If this is so, why was it not in your room when I searched it?
You say you're not accusing nmillar, then you clearly continue to do so despite clear evidence that there is no way he is possibly mafia.

Also note that the link you made between Violator and I could also made between Violator and yourself, more so in fact due to you voting for a nolynch that day, in direct opposition to me making it clear I intended to vote for him after more discussion, which I then proceeded to do.
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nmillar: Okay, I admit; that bit of my post was wrong (mainly due to me being on my high horse and just going with the flow), but I totally agree with you about evidence coming first. The evidence in this case being post 594, as I outlined in post 663 above.
OK, let’s dissect post 663:

“In that post you've pretty much confirmed Vitek as town - the roleblocker was still alive, and nobody else claimed to have been roleblocked, so perhaps my suspicions of Vitek are unfounded.”

So at this point you say I’m telling the truth, but pretty much everything else is calling me a liar.
Which is it, truth or lies?

“You then spout a bunch of hearsay about Vitek's suspicions of you being unfounded because your role has been 'proved' and you've been busy every night. Yes, the flavour you posted about Vitek and myself was pretty accurate, but it has never been confirmed which side you are on. Both these investigations happened while other mafia members were still alive. Your last two 'investigations' on the other hand, were with just one mafia alive and you just happened to pick the person who got killed off both times!”

So you refuse to believe I could have the bad luck to investigate victims twice in a row, but believe I have the good luck to NK all the power roles?

“You then ask about when you were able to get the information on who to kill. You don't need it; mafia know who their scum-buddies are so randomly selecting anyone else gives you a town kill - you just got lucky getting the power roles. You already knew mine and Vitek's roles and you needed to keep Orryrro alive to 'prove' your allegations against him, so the obvious kills would be TwilightBard and QuadrAlien.

And you've been 'confirmed' as Flavour Cop since Day 2; yet the mafia haven't killed you off?”

You then say I need to keep Orry alive as a scapegoat, but question why the mafia would keep me alive?

This whole thing just stinks of wifom & trying to hold me to a different standard than everyone else.
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Rodzaju: Just like, in the post you linked to above, I see nothing about what happened to your lance.
You just say that it is mentioned in your role PM.
If this is so, why was it not in your room when I searched it?
I have no idea why it wouldn't be in my room; maybe it was in the stable with my horse? That's beside the point though. Both Vitek and myself could have ended the game by now, and because we haven't are confirmed as townies, so why are you still attacking me? This attitude is not helping your case at all.

As for my suspicions of you, I will again return to the point about the differences in flavour. The flavour you got for Vitek and myself was very vague, and without knowing the characters of the book in some detail, you would not immediately link them to those characters. You did get lucky guess for Vitek's character though.

But then, when questioned about your Night 3 investigation, you threw in a nice delaying tactic in post 500 and I can't seem to find a post where you revealed the result of TwilightBard's investigation. It appears you never did; how convenient.

Then, in post 547 you reveal the information about bandages found in QuadrAlien's room; a clue that immediately links to the role of town doctor.

I'm also going to throw post 467 into the bit; nice bit of role-fishing from you there.
I am not accusing Nmillar.
I am asking him to explain something that does not add up.
Indeed, I had given up this line of questioning some 300 posts ago.
It is only brought up now as part of my explanation for "ignoring" questions that Nmillar posed me.

I also find it very interesting that I am again being subjected to the inquisition, while Orry is again able to slip through the day with very little posted & very little comment on the fact.

Perhaps he has hit on the winning formula:
"Post nothing & they will have nothing to throw back at you".

I gave my flavor of Twilight in post 631
I expanded on it later, when mentioning the various odd points of each investigation.
I have been more careful to distill my investigations since you as Baz issued a warning about quoting too closely from PM's.
But nice way to misrepresent me AGAIN!


Again, you suggest that I must have more than my fair share of luck.
Where did all this luck come from?

Frankly you’re sounding more and more desperate to pin this on me.
It has been said that you are confirmed town.
So again, what is there for the town to gain from such fabricated evidence?
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nmillar:
You have selectively edited my posts to make me look bad.
You have conveniently ignored my posts to make me look evasive.
You ask the same questions again & again, despite my having already answered them.

And you question MY attitude?

As I said earlier, you have stated that you like to watch people self destruct.
It’s not too much of a stretch to infer from this that you also like trying to make people squirm.

Perhaps this is why the game has not already ended?
And yes, NOW I am accusing you.
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Rodzaju: So at this point you say I’m telling the truth, but pretty much everything else is calling me a liar.
Which is it, truth or lies?
Are you seriously claiming there's some rule that mafia must lie 100% of the time? A good mafia strategy would be to throw in some truths in their post in order to make them appear town. You cleared Vitek's name, whether that was intentional or not.

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Rodzaju: So you refuse to believe I could have the bad luck to investigate victims twice in a row, but believe I have the good luck to NK all the power roles?
I've explained this a number of times already. It made sense to kill TwilightBard and QuadrAlien since you already knew mine and Vitek's roles (and that we were no real threat). If there were any power roles remaining, it could only be TwilightBard and QuadrAlien!

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Rodzaju: You then say I need to keep Orry alive as a scapegoat, but question why the mafia would keep me alive?
Yes, Orryyrro is the obvious scapegoat since he'd already gathered suspicion from a number of people. I'm guessing you're now claiming to be a scapegoat, but there has been very little suspicion of you until recently.

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Rodzaju: This whole thing just stinks of wifom & trying to hold me to a different standard than everyone else.
Different standard? I was very aggressive towards Vitek earlier in the day, but he remained calm for the duration, which led me to re-read alot of the thread, and I found posts that lead me to believe you are mafia.

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nmillar: I am not accusing Nmillar.
I am asking him to explain something that does not add up.
Indeed, I had given up this line of questioning some 300 posts ago.
It is only brought up now as part of my explanation for "ignoring" questions that Nmillar posed me.
Why exactly are you trying to confuse people with useless lines of questioning? This seems like you're trying to distract people from the points raised against you. There's no point interrogating me or Vitek since we've both been proves as town. It is you and Orryyrro under the spotlight here.

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nmillar: I gave my flavor of Twilight in post 631
I expanded on it later, when mentioning the various odd points of each investigation.
I have been more careful to distill my investigations since you as Baz issued a warning about quoting too closely from PM's.
But nice way to misrepresent me AGAIN!
Fair enough that there's nothing suspicious about your investigation of TwilightBard, but why did you refuse to share this information previously? The point about the bandages in QuadrAlien's investigation still stands - this information would confirm QuadrAlien as a doctor, whereas all the other investigations give no clues as to possible roles.

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nmillar: Again, you suggest that I must have more than my fair share of luck.
Where did all this luck come from?
Already mentioned above, but I'll repeat it again:

I've explained this a number of times already. It made sense to kill TwilightBard and QuadrAlien since you already knew mine and Vitek's roles (and that we were no real threat). If there were any power roles remaining, it could only be TwilightBard and QuadrAlien!

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nmillar: It has been said that you are confirmed town.
Again you're implying that I'm not town, despite evidence to the contrary. If I was mafia, I could just vote for Orryyrro and win the game. Likewise, Vitek could just move his vote to you and win the game.

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nmillar: So again, what is there for the town to gain from such fabricated evidence?
Evidence is the wrong word. I am justifying my vote for you.