Posted June 18, 2011

nmillar
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Registered: Feb 2009
From United Kingdom

Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted June 18, 2011

I have already said that I would accept a nolynch.
I even voted Nolynch.
I just don't think it is neccesary.

“To get all the kills right, investigations must have been made every night, so it is probably not him.”

In addition to this, your investigations of Vitek and myself were very vague, whereas your 'investigations' of TwilightBard and QuadrAlien hinted at very specific roles (e.g. the bandages were clearly specific to a doctor role).
And you came after me very strongly on Day 3, just as Typhoon45 and ViolatorX did on the day that the mafia only required a mis-lynch for victory. Both myself and TwilightBard posted links to the text of Through the Looking Glass, demonstrating the flavour you posted proved my claim of White Knight. You chose to ignore this repeatedly.
Is the idea that the kills were planned any more Ridiculous than that all the best roles were systematically wiped out through pure luck?
I questioned you on Day 3 at first because you denied the results of my investigation.
Then because I was not familiar with the role of the white knight.
Then finally because, despite your claim to own a broken lance, no sign of it was seen in your room.


You have just said:
"Orryrro was gathering suspicion so it made sense to keep him alive."
Perhaps this is why I am still alive?

Indeed, who is to say that, in the event of a nolynch, both me and Orry will be alive tomorrow?
I think it is likely that we will be, but I've been wrong before....

nmillar
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Posted June 18, 2011
As Orryyrro (I got the correct spelling at last) has already pointed out, both Vitek and myself have now been proved as town since either of us could have ended the game. A no lynch would leave you, Orryyrro and either me / Vitek alive tomorrow.

Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted June 18, 2011

Indeed, who is to say that, in the event of a nolynch, both me and Orry will be alive tomorrow?
I think it is likely that we will be, but I've been wrong before....

His current vote is on Orry.
This sounds very much like trying to pressure him into changing his vote...

nmillar
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Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted June 18, 2011
Yes, if he believes you are mafia he should try to convince me to vote you.
I'd like to appeal at you nmillar too. Try to look at Orryyrro again as well. You often get quite focused on one target and tend to overlook others. Try to look at both of them and wage this. I guess you did it already but don't ignore posssibility Rod is innocent. Remember until today you were quite sure he is town.
I am not convinced Orryyrro is scum but neither am I convinced Rod is. I won't certainly make some opinion today as it's quite late and I am a bit drunk.
I'd like to appeal at you nmillar too. Try to look at Orryyrro again as well. You often get quite focused on one target and tend to overlook others. Try to look at both of them and wage this. I guess you did it already but don't ignore posssibility Rod is innocent. Remember until today you were quite sure he is town.
I am not convinced Orryyrro is scum but neither am I convinced Rod is. I won't certainly make some opinion today as it's quite late and I am a bit drunk.

nmillar
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Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted June 19, 2011

Show me what Orryyrro has done wrong and I'll consider changing my vote.
We've seen very little at all from Orry.
He has contributed very little & tried to stay unnoticed.
I have consistently shared what information I have.
I have explained my reasoning and my suspicions.
As recently as post 648, you seemed satisfied that I was being helpful.
I find it interesting that, once you did decide to change your mind, you had to resort to misrepresenting my words (664) to make your case.

nmillar
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Registered: Feb 2009
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Posted June 19, 2011

This is the bit that confirms it for me. You use your unfamiliarity with the white knight as your reason for continuing to question me, despite several players having already linked to the text of Through the Looking Glass at that stage.

Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted June 19, 2011



Then because I was not familiar with the role of the white knight.
Then finally because, despite your claim to own a broken lance, no sign of it was seen in your room.

You have just quoted my post 677 as the deciding factor for you.
However, you have already decided I am scum before I ever made that post.
I very much get the impression that you have, for whatever reason, decided I am scum and are looking for reasons to justify that.
I just can't figure out what you would have to gain from this.

nmillar
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Posted June 19, 2011
Read Day 3 again; I was not familiour with the white knight until I read the text, which is what led to the denial of your flavour text.
Rodzaju: You have just quoted my post 677 as the deciding factor for you.
However, you have already decided I am scum before I ever made that post. No, I was just referencing your post to point out how you chose to ignore evidence on Day 3. Post 677 made it easier to reference what I was talking about, rather than quoting several posts from Day 3.
Rodzaju: I very much get the impression that you have, for whatever reason, decided I am scum and are looking for reasons to justify that. That is the whole point of the game ...
Victory?

However, you have already decided I am scum before I ever made that post.

Victory?

Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted June 19, 2011


The point of the game is to examine the evidence & discover who is guilty.
Your way, deciding who is guilty & then looking for evidence to support it, leads to railroading & mislynches.
This is the difference between a scumhunt & a witch-hunt.
How does a witch-hunt on a pre-determined target benefit the town?
As was noted elsewhere, anybody who posts can be incriminated by selective interpretation of those posts.
Perhaps that is why Orry posts so little....
Also interesting is that this is not the first time you have tried to cast me as suspicous by misrepresenting my posts.
You did the same back in posts 270 - 273.
As was also mentioned elsewhere, you find it entertaining watching people self destruct.
Is this what you're trying to do, force me to self destruct?
Sorry, but I'm not wired that way.

nmillar
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Registered: Feb 2009
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Posted June 19, 2011
I have done no such thing. Do I need to remind you that I spent a long time thinking Vitek was the most likely last mafia member, since his claim to be the walrus didn't really fit well with the evidence you yourself provided?
Having re-read alot of the thread, I found posts by you that were very suspicious, hence pointing the finger at you. You have done nothing to clear yourself, and are only digging yourself in deeper by claiming I'm doing something that I'm not.
You accuse me of selective interpretation, yet you are selectively interpretating Orryyrro's silence; nobody has provided any solid evidence against Orryyrro apart from him being quiet, so there is no way I'm going to vote for him.
Having re-read alot of the thread, I found posts by you that were very suspicious, hence pointing the finger at you. You have done nothing to clear yourself, and are only digging yourself in deeper by claiming I'm doing something that I'm not.
You accuse me of selective interpretation, yet you are selectively interpretating Orryyrro's silence; nobody has provided any solid evidence against Orryyrro apart from him being quiet, so there is no way I'm going to vote for him.

Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted June 19, 2011

Show me what Orryyrro has done wrong and I'll consider changing my vote.
Yes, I agree Rod has a lot more mud on himself but I don't want Orryyrro to score mafia win while lurking through alll game.

nmillar
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Registered: Feb 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted June 19, 2011

Yes, I agree Rod has a lot more mud on himself but I don't want Orryyrro to score mafia win while lurking through alll game.
Rodzaju has so far failed to adequately respond to the question about why he continued to suspect me when several people had posted links or quoted text that proved I was the white knight.