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Vitek: I feel quite disregarded. I mentioned almost all points against Rodzaju as you are bringing now and by then it seems you payed them no attention. :-P
Well, I did believe you were mafia, but the fact that you haven't voted now suggests otherwise.
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nmillar: Another night kill would be my preference over a mis-lynch today since we would still have the opportunity to win the game tomorrow, whereas you seem determined to end the game immediately.
I simply have a clear suspect in my mind. Why waste more town lives?
I have already said that I would accept a nolynch.
I even voted Nolynch.
I just don't think it is neccesary.

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Rodzaju: The very next line of my post after my comment about you being in your room night 2 was:
“To get all the kills right, investigations must have been made every night, so it is probably not him.”
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nmillar: Clinging to this notion that investigations were carried out every night is rediculous. I've already explained why TwilightBard and QuadrAlien were killed on nights 2 and 3 - you already knew mine and Vitek's roles and Orryrro was gathering suspicion so it made sense to keep him alive. The only targets left were TwilightBard and QuadrAlien regardless of what roles they held; no need for an investigation.

In addition to this, your investigations of Vitek and myself were very vague, whereas your 'investigations' of TwilightBard and QuadrAlien hinted at very specific roles (e.g. the bandages were clearly specific to a doctor role).

And you came after me very strongly on Day 3, just as Typhoon45 and ViolatorX did on the day that the mafia only required a mis-lynch for victory. Both myself and TwilightBard posted links to the text of Through the Looking Glass, demonstrating the flavour you posted proved my claim of White Knight. You chose to ignore this repeatedly.
If my investigations of you were so vague, why was I able to identify Vitek from it?

Is the idea that the kills were planned any more Ridiculous than that all the best roles were systematically wiped out through pure luck?

I questioned you on Day 3 at first because you denied the results of my investigation.
Then because I was not familiar with the role of the white knight.
Then finally because, despite your claim to own a broken lance, no sign of it was seen in your room.

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Rodzaju: As I said the last time this was offered, my supposition is that they know I’m not much of a threat to them.
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nmillar: This is rediculous. If you are indeed the town flavour cop, then this is a very dangerous role to mafia because you would be able to disprove any claims made by them, the prime example being Orryrro who you have just voted for.
Except that Orry already knew my role before he claimed, so it would make sense for him to claim the correct name.

You have just said:
"Orryrro was gathering suspicion so it made sense to keep him alive."

Perhaps this is why I am still alive?

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nmillar: You don't want a no-lynch because it's a straight battle between you and Orryrro tomorrow, which you know you can't win.
Why would I not win such a contest, even if it is as clear cut as you claim?
Indeed, who is to say that, in the event of a nolynch, both me and Orry will be alive tomorrow?
I think it is likely that we will be, but I've been wrong before....
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Rodzaju: Why would I not win such a contest, even if it is as clear cut as you claim?
Indeed, who is to say that, in the event of a nolynch, both me and Orry will be alive tomorrow?
I think it is likely that we will be, but I've been wrong before....
As Orryyrro (I got the correct spelling at last) has already pointed out, both Vitek and myself have now been proved as town since either of us could have ended the game. A no lynch would leave you, Orryyrro and either me / Vitek alive tomorrow.
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Rodzaju: Why would I not win such a contest, even if it is as clear cut as you claim?
Indeed, who is to say that, in the event of a nolynch, both me and Orry will be alive tomorrow?
I think it is likely that we will be, but I've been wrong before....
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nmillar: As Orryyrro (I got the correct spelling at last) has already pointed out, both Vitek and myself have now been proved as town since either of us could have ended the game. A no lynch would leave you, Orryyrro and either me / Vitek alive tomorrow.
IF the 3rd survivor is Vitek, why would he be certain to vote for me?
His current vote is on Orry.

This sounds very much like trying to pressure him into changing his vote...
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Rodzaju: This sounds very much like trying to pressure him into changing his vote...
That's because I am trying to persuade him to change his vote; I want a town win.
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Rodzaju: This sounds very much like trying to pressure him into changing his vote...
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nmillar: That's because I am trying to persuade him to change his vote; I want a town win.
Yes, if he believes you are mafia he should try to convince me to vote you.

I'd like to appeal at you nmillar too. Try to look at Orryyrro again as well. You often get quite focused on one target and tend to overlook others. Try to look at both of them and wage this. I guess you did it already but don't ignore posssibility Rod is innocent. Remember until today you were quite sure he is town.
I am not convinced Orryyrro is scum but neither am I convinced Rod is. I won't certainly make some opinion today as it's quite late and I am a bit drunk.
I've seen nothing from Orryyrro to suggest that he is mafia, whereas Rodzaju's posts reek of scumminess, especially the last few which sound like desperation to me.

Show me what Orryyrro has done wrong and I'll consider changing my vote.
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nmillar: I've seen nothing from Orryyrro to suggest that he is mafia, whereas Rodzaju's posts reek of scumminess, especially the last few which sound like desperation to me.

Show me what Orryyrro has done wrong and I'll consider changing my vote.
I think there is the main issue:
We've seen very little at all from Orry.
He has contributed very little & tried to stay unnoticed.

I have consistently shared what information I have.
I have explained my reasoning and my suspicions.

As recently as post 648, you seemed satisfied that I was being helpful.
I find it interesting that, once you did decide to change your mind, you had to resort to misrepresenting my words (664) to make your case.
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Rodzaju: I find it interesting that, once you did decide to change your mind, you had to resort to misrepresenting my words (664) to make your case.
Fair enough that 664 was a bit of a misinterpretation, but you have no defence for the reasons I outlined in 663.

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Rodzaju: I questioned you on Day 3 at first because you denied the results of my investigation.
Then because I was not familiar with the role of the white knight.
Then finally because, despite your claim to own a broken lance, no sign of it was seen in your room.
This is the bit that confirms it for me. You use your unfamiliarity with the white knight as your reason for continuing to question me, despite several players having already linked to the text of Through the Looking Glass at that stage.
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Rodzaju: I find it interesting that, once you did decide to change your mind, you had to resort to misrepresenting my words (664) to make your case.
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nmillar: Fair enough that 664 was a bit of a misinterpretation, but you have no defence for the reasons I outlined in 663.

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Rodzaju: I questioned you on Day 3 at first because you denied the results of my investigation.
Then because I was not familiar with the role of the white knight.
Then finally because, despite your claim to own a broken lance, no sign of it was seen in your room.
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nmillar: This is the bit that confirms it for me. You use your unfamiliarity with the white knight as your reason for continuing to question me, despite several players having already linked to the text of Through the Looking Glass at that stage.
Yet you ARE familiar with the whight knight & STILL denied the flavour text I mentioned...

You have just quoted my post 677 as the deciding factor for you.
However, you have already decided I am scum before I ever made that post.

I very much get the impression that you have, for whatever reason, decided I am scum and are looking for reasons to justify that.
I just can't figure out what you would have to gain from this.
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Rodzaju: Yet you ARE familiar with the whight knight & STILL denied the flavour text I mentioned...
Read Day 3 again; I was not familiour with the white knight until I read the text, which is what led to the denial of your flavour text.

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Rodzaju: You have just quoted my post 677 as the deciding factor for you.
However, you have already decided I am scum before I ever made that post.
No, I was just referencing your post to point out how you chose to ignore evidence on Day 3. Post 677 made it easier to reference what I was talking about, rather than quoting several posts from Day 3.

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Rodzaju: I very much get the impression that you have, for whatever reason, decided I am scum and are looking for reasons to justify that.
That is the whole point of the game ...

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Rodzaju: I just can't figure out what you would have to gain from this.
Victory?
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Rodzaju: I very much get the impression that you have, for whatever reason, decided I am scum and are looking for reasons to justify that.
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nmillar: That is the whole point of the game ...
Hmm, NO!
The point of the game is to examine the evidence & discover who is guilty.

Your way, deciding who is guilty & then looking for evidence to support it, leads to railroading & mislynches.

This is the difference between a scumhunt & a witch-hunt.

How does a witch-hunt on a pre-determined target benefit the town?

As was noted elsewhere, anybody who posts can be incriminated by selective interpretation of those posts.

Perhaps that is why Orry posts so little....

Also interesting is that this is not the first time you have tried to cast me as suspicous by misrepresenting my posts.
You did the same back in posts 270 - 273.

As was also mentioned elsewhere, you find it entertaining watching people self destruct.
Is this what you're trying to do, force me to self destruct?
Sorry, but I'm not wired that way.
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Rodzaju: How does a witch-hunt on a pre-determined target benefit the town?
I have done no such thing. Do I need to remind you that I spent a long time thinking Vitek was the most likely last mafia member, since his claim to be the walrus didn't really fit well with the evidence you yourself provided?

Having re-read alot of the thread, I found posts by you that were very suspicious, hence pointing the finger at you. You have done nothing to clear yourself, and are only digging yourself in deeper by claiming I'm doing something that I'm not.

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Rodzaju: As was noted elsewhere, anybody who posts can be incriminated by selective interpretation of those posts.

Perhaps that is why Orry posts so little....
You accuse me of selective interpretation, yet you are selectively interpretating Orryyrro's silence; nobody has provided any solid evidence against Orryyrro apart from him being quiet, so there is no way I'm going to vote for him.
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nmillar: I've seen nothing from Orryyrro to suggest that he is mafia, whereas Rodzaju's posts reek of scumminess, especially the last few which sound like desperation to me.

Show me what Orryyrro has done wrong and I'll consider changing my vote.
You even suggested, I think on day 3, that mafia are Typhoon, Violator and Orryyrro. You were right about 2 of them. I suppose you have seen something suspicious about him.

Yes, I agree Rod has a lot more mud on himself but I don't want Orryyrro to score mafia win while lurking through alll game.
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Vitek: You even suggested, I think on day 3, that mafia are Typhoon, Violator and Orryyrro. You were right about 2 of them. I suppose you have seen something suspicious about him.

Yes, I agree Rod has a lot more mud on himself but I don't want Orryyrro to score mafia win while lurking through alll game.
Yes, but that was based on other people's opinions of him rather than my own. At the time I was very much focused on Typhoon45 and ViolatorX who had outed themselves by lying about my claim, so I used other people's criticicisms of Orryyrro to name a third mafia member.

Rodzaju has so far failed to adequately respond to the question about why he continued to suspect me when several people had posted links or quoted text that proved I was the white knight.