DarkoD13: We're obviously reading those differently. He said CSPVG is lurky, but he mentioned several times that that seems to be his playstyle.

DarkoD13: I'm also trying to find a post where he tried to throw some dirt on flub.

DarkoD13: Anyway, it would probably be better if your post was a bit more analytical in that aspect, I don't find the "mostly" generalization very helpful.

DarkoD13: I'd actually urge everyone to double and triple-check for accuracy everything being posted at the moment, including my bandwagon post.

DarkoD13: I'd actually urge everyone to double and triple-check for accuracy everything being posted at the moment, including my bandwagon post.

dedoporno: flub listed 5 suspects at the time of his posts and he didn't seem to wander off afterwards

Vitek – leaning scum due to coy posts and deliberate lurking; also unwilling to engage all players.
Trentonlf –null to scum due to recent alarmist posting and Vanilla Ice support
Adaliabooks-null to scum due to a lack of real engagement of other players and what seems to be a bit of unease when challenged
Krypsyn- leaning scum due to “just observing things from here” and a deliberate lurking
DarkoD13-leaning scum due to lack of engaging players and lurking

It's most likely at least two of these are Town. That leaves 3 probable Mafia players. One of them was confirmed Mafia.

yogsloth: At risk of derailing what we can glean from adalia’s flops on CPSVG and others I’m going to play an important card now, as I’m not sure how much more time I will today.

I don't think we should easily dismiss the possibility of four scum in the game.

The principal reason is not just adalia's slip in that regard... but rather the fact that this game was originally designed as an 11-person setup. Telika revised it after there was so much interest that it looked like several interested parties would be left out.

If you already had an established setup you had spent days/weeks/whatever crafting, and last moment you decided to add two new players, what would you add? Additional power roles, I think, are unlikely. This ties back to my very first "real" post way back at the start of day 1. Nobody else appears to have even considered this, and it was one of the first things that occurred to me even before the game started! It seems far more likely that as moderator, you would just add two new vanilla, as that is least likely to upset the careful balance you originally strived to create. If you have a role madness game, that's a very tough game to balance, and I don't think you comb the wiki for two unused roles to add as additional power at the last moment.

So you add vanilla. But which two vanilla? Two more town? Put yourself in those mod shoes again. Perhaps you do this, or perhaps you add one of each. If you think that your balance of 8/3 is unfair to change to 10/3 and overpowers town, I think you strongly consider making one of your two new adds a vanilla scum.

I say this now because it bears reminding just how badly day 1 went for scum:
- They lost a lynch day one. This by itself is rare.
- They lost a power role. I don’t think I'm ruining any secret to point out there must be a doctor in town, because that is the counter-balance to the strongman. Without a doctor in the game, there would be no benefit to strongman, and now town has an active power role that can’t be counteracted.
- Town only lost one player. Either there is no vigilante, serial killer, etc., or they didn't succeed, or they didn't act.
- Town’s loss was vanilla. Whatever other power roles town has are still in play.

That’s not even considering yet how much we may glean from adalia’s posts, which I still believe is more than nothing, and I don't wish to derail that conversation.

So the one “pocket ace” that may be left to scum is the possibility we overlook a 4th member. I am not saying I’m convinced this is the case – just that we absolutely must be aware of it and not dismiss it out of hand.

Now add in adalia’s slip to that effect and his oddball back-pedal. In my opinion, while this may not bear as heavily here in day two where we have multiple scum to hunt regardless, it will be important to keep in mind in successive days.

mrkgnao: I didn't find any. He flagged him as pro-town in #276.

dedoporno: To me it would be interesting to know why the people who withheld from voting adaliabooks did so.

dedoporno: Anyway, my point wasn't to point out obvious statistics, but to point out that it's possible flub had more than 1 Mafia in his list which may have been uncomfortable for their faction and that may have been among the reasons to take him out first.

HijacK: I left my dissection of his posts speak for itself. I was unsure if he was scum, maybe because how badly he played it, but I was sure he had to be lynched after a thorough analysis no whatsoever benefit of leaving him alive was in sight.
I'm at least somewhat pleased with the result.

HijacK: Thoughts time:

I don't think adalia is scum because Flub literally had to interrogate him about his role. The day could have ended right then and there with a hammer, and we wouldn't have found out about his role in time, so while I'll agree that the possibility of his role claim could be a ruse still exists, I think it is very unlikely.

DarkoD13: Since you have played as mafia in the past, is that something that you would consider a priority when looking for an NK target?

dedoporno: Why do you think flub was NKed?

dedoporno: I don't know if you have played Ultimate werewolf (the non-forum version of the game I play with friends), but it goes a lot more differently there - face is a lot faster, there isn't enough time or patience to take your time in thinking and making a case. The games are rarely longer than 20-30 minutes.

So, I don't have an answer to you question since I haven't been in that situation so far. Why does this bother you that much? Would you rather scratch everything flub ever wrote only because it was D1 stuff and never look back? I haven't pointed my finger at you if this is why you are frowning at what I wrote. As a matter of fact you are the least suspicious of his list as far as I'm concerned.

dedoporno: Would you rather scratch everything flub ever wrote only because it was D1 stuff and never look back?

DarkoD13: The only suggestion of WIFOM killing that I remember (from SirPrimalForm if I'm not mistaken) involved pinning a murder on someone the target had claimed he would investigate. Again, that was an added bonus to killing a power role (even though we didn't go through with it fearing watchers). I may have to re-read that quicktopic.