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That does kind of bring me to my previous point though. Why offer yourself on a silver platter when you know we'll get nothing from your flip? Even if we examine your postmortem bandwagon, you've proposed getting yourself lynched so many times that anyone can use that as an excuse.
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yogsloth: I've got another question for Robb to ignore. Here are your final two posts of Day 1:

October 17, post 479:

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Robbeasy: Can we have a vote-count please, mr. Moderator??
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yogsloth: At this time, adalia was at L-2, and there were nor other viable candidates. The momentum on adalia's wagon was almost unstoppable.

The very next post, dedo votes for adalia, moving him to L-1. The very next post after that is from Telika, showing such.

Then, October 18, post 575:

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Robbeasy: Blimey - is that Adalia lynched? I was all for putting pressure on, but I get the feeling thats gone through a little quickly...
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yogsloth: You were instrumental in initiating and perpetuating the adalia wagon. What changed in between these two posts? I'm assuming you read the official vote count that you called for, and was delivered only two votes later. Why the expression of surprise and remorse?

I would like to hear Darko's "third word" as well.
ok.

'the momentum on adalias wagon was almost unstoppable' - really? That sentence not subjective at all

I came back to the game a DAY later. I knew Adalia was at L-1, but the way we were all going, I honestly expected more discussion. We've definitely made up for it today.

@mrkgnao - i've not been ignoring your questions, i believe my posting and my stance make it very clear why I'm doing what I'm doing, but as you asked so nicely...

1) I gave my gradient list and had Hijack as mostly neutral. As I have already stated, he is not my ideal choice for Lynch, but I do think more info can be gained than almost any other lynch.

2) If he flips Town and has a role, it puts Sage in a better light for one.

3) I do apologise that my scum list is different from your good self. Please accept I am just a poor slightly dumb person trying to muddle my way through. I shall stop , and be guided only by those clearly of a higher intellect....;)
I've explained why I think Hijack is a better candidate for lynch.
I'll leave my vote on Vitek for the moment since I believe he's the most likely person to be mafia, but I'll move to Krypsyn in a few days if he's still a likely candidate for a lynch.
No Rob for me.
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DarkoD13: I'll leave my vote on Vitek for the moment since I believe he's the most likely person to be mafia, but I'll move to Krypsyn in a few days if he's still a likely candidate for a lynch.
No Rob for me.
I get a town vibe from Vitek's posts and questions. What leads you to suspect him?
So much pseudo-claiming...

And all of it is pretty believable, at least role-wise. There is one thing I'm wondering, though. Considering the Olipsi are infiltrating the Nisk (?) fleet and they are using our own ships, how probably it is for two opposing faction players sharing the same role, to share the same flavor also? Like word for word...

I'm facing a dilemma now. Do I help lynch a vanilla player with the hope he may flip scum and at worst we won't lose a power role or do I help lynch a more mysterious player who almost certainly has a power role and I think he is scum, but I may be wrong? I need to think this through, but I'm starting to think I should have stayed with my original choice.


unvote Robbeasy for now.


@mrkgnao, what would your third fallback choice be if you decide to skip the vanillas?
This sums up my suspicions:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1256

Posts referenced:
Vitek suggests Krypsyn lurker lynch
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post826
Vitek says he's not fond of HijacK lurker lynch of CSPVG
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1233
Later hints that he wouldn't have lynched Krypsyn for lurking, never expands on it
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1237
Vitek reveals "different approach" scum tell
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1179
Had completely ignored it in his read of HijacK
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1085
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DarkoD13: I'll leave my vote on Vitek for the moment since I believe he's the most likely person to be mafia, but I'll move to Krypsyn in a few days if he's still a likely candidate for a lynch.
No Rob for me.
Very nice move, Darko!
I assume you implicitly approve of Robbeasy's and trentonlf's answers.

This leaves me with two scenarios which until now I considered as unlikely:
1) Both Robbeasy and trentonlf are town vanilla
2) There is a mafia vanilla

Frankly, I am at a loss now.

If I am to accept the first scenario, my scum list is empty, which forces me to go back and re-evaluate at least Vitek, Krypsyn and HijacK (I believe CSPVG and Sage; I don't really suspect dedo and yogsloth that much).

In order to evaluate the second scenario, I really need to know how many people claim vanilla (I expect nobody will lie about that now), but I'm not sure I want us to divulge that information at this point.

Additionally, I officially give up on attempting to get answers from Robbeasy to such basic questions as "why do you suspect HijacK?", "why do you think more info can be gained from his lynch than almost any other?", "why do you suspect me?", "why do you think HijacK claimed role cop?". Somebody else is welcome to pick up the thread or not. I am tired.
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Robbeasy: Neutral -

Dedoporno - happy to jump on a neutral wagon, happy to follow on without any real thought into it.
You have dedo as neutral but your listed reasons are everything scum would do to stay out of the limelight. Can you give me more of your reasoning on why you have him as neutral? I have dedo as scum right now and you have not had much to say about him at all, this was one of the reasons I was unsure about you. I was thinking you might not be pointing anything out about him or having to much of a conversation about his actions because he may be a fellow scum

I am not trying to form another wagon or go a different direction but I would like to know why neutral. Did I miss something?

You have moved on to my most likely town list now. So my vote will not be moved to you.
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dedoporno: And all of it is pretty believable, at least role-wise. There is one thing I'm wondering, though. Considering the Olipsi are infiltrating the Nisk (?) fleet and they are using our own ships, how probably it is for two opposing faction players sharing the same role, to share the same flavor also? Like word for word...
If you think about it a bit, based just on the three words already known, you will see why the text for all vanillas would likely be the same, regardless of faction.
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DarkoD13: This sums up my suspicions:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1256

Posts referenced:
Vitek suggests Krypsyn lurker lynch
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post826
Vitek says he's not fond of HijacK lurker lynch of CSPVG
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1233
Later hints that he wouldn't have lynched Krypsyn for lurking, never expands on it
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1237
Vitek reveals "different approach" scum tell
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1179
Had completely ignored it in his read of HijacK
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1085
Thanks for the links. I will need to think over my thoughts of Vitek and dedo again. I have the same situation with them as I did yogosloth and adaliabooks. I believe one is scum, but not both.
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Sage103082: I have dedo as scum right now
Would you be so kind to remind me how did this happen, please? Thank you :)
The meter has just rolled to three days with no Vitek or CSPVG. Time for official poke, since we face deadline soon?
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mrkgnao: If you think about it a bit, based just on the three words already known, you will see why the text for all vanillas would likely be the same, regardless of faction.
You didn't answer my question.
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Sage103082: I have dedo as scum right now
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dedoporno: Would you be so kind to remind me how did this happen, please? Thank you :)
I have been keeping an eye on you from day one (as I am doing with everyone) But your distance has me looking more at you. I did post in http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post1591
about my suspicions. Though I am looking at you hard you are not my number one scum at the moment. Krypsyn is and that is why my vote is on him.
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yogsloth: The meter has just rolled to three days with no Vitek or CSPVG. Time for official poke, since we face deadline soon?
Really ? Damn.
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Vitek:
Poke (hey, it's been only two days).
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CSPVG:
Poke (yeah, three days here i think).
Post edited November 11, 2014 by Telika