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Hah, my gut was right!

He was lying about his role AND his alignment. Vote amok.

So now does anyone believe me about the clue-vote manipulation? I think it was basically role fishing.

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amok: It is for this reason I am very curious about Rob's aniseed clue, as there is no reason to have a clue which potentially indicates a dog which is non existent.
Aniseed balls indicate a dog now do they?
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Vitek: @everyone; why would scum do it and then admit it?
Exactly this. Now that the truth comes to light, I can kind of understand why he would fake claim. Quite a few people were reluctant to share what their clues were until they seemed to demonstrate some kind of use with amok's claim.

Whilst I'd still be happy to vote amok for lying, I'm a little more concerned at just how quick people are ready to jump on this particular wagon without putting too much thought into it.
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DarkoD13: I guess you missed the weird coincidence part.
Given that aniseed balls are not made for dogs, should not be given to dogs, but does show in searches to have an effect on some dogs. However the official wiki articles and encyclopedia's makes no mention of it. I would find it more interesting who made the dog relation to them..oh wait it was amok...

Looking at the real article it makes no mention of dogs... and aniseed balls are quite popular in for instance UK () - making it not unlikely that it simple is just a candy name and no value for judgment can be gained from it. Still a lot of that will also depend on amok's true role/faction.
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Vitek: @everyone; why would scum do it and then admit it?
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nmillar: Exactly this. Now that the truth comes to light, I can kind of understand why he would fake claim. Quite a few people were reluctant to share what their clues were until they seemed to demonstrate some kind of use with amok's claim.

Whilst I'd still be happy to vote amok for lying, I'm a little more concerned at just how quick people are ready to jump on this particular wagon without putting too much thought into it.
If I was scum, what I would be doing now is to continue the charade and say have I "sniffed" someone's clue and that the clue was not right.

@Vitek - for the same reason I do many things, to stir things up and see what happens.
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DarkoD13: Well, you have to admit that it is a bit of a weird coincidence if he's not a dog. But I'll agree with you that he's not trustworthy at all at this point.
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amok: Yeah, and I understand. Just remember this after this day is over :)
What weird coincidence? If Robbeasy's clue had mentioned chocolate would that be a weird coincidence?

("Hmm, dogs are allergic to chocolate but there's no dog in the game!!!!")

This screams of a scummy last ditch attempt to divert attention onto Robbeasy.

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Red_Baron: Yea, unless say it was candy for humans... which it is. Aniseed balls are just candy.
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DarkoD13: I guess you missed the weird coincidence part.
Nope, I'm not seeing this weird coincidence. What is it?
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amok: Yeah, and I understand. Just remember this after this day is over :)
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SirPrimalform: What weird coincidence? If Robbeasy's clue had mentioned chocolate would that be a weird coincidence?

("Hmm, dogs are allergic to chocolate but there's no dog in the game!!!!")

This screams of a scummy last ditch attempt to divert attention onto Robbeasy.
I also hope you will remember this after this day is over :)
Amok, can you give us the exact reasons why you've dropped the act at this point ?

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amok: Remove the deceased from the list, and make Frances male. Leaves room for 1 female.
Okay, Frances is a male name now ?

*swallows two more aspirins*
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SirPrimalform: What weird coincidence? If Robbeasy's clue had mentioned chocolate would that be a weird coincidence?

("Hmm, dogs are allergic to chocolate but there's no dog in the game!!!!")

This screams of a scummy last ditch attempt to divert attention onto Robbeasy.

Nope, I'm not seeing this weird coincidence. What is it?
The presence of aniseed, I mean. Some related info:
http://www.ask.com/question/why-do-dogs-like-aniseed
http://voices.yahoo.com/canine-catnip-anise-dog-toy-26060.html
I had no idea what it was or what its effect was, but it does seem real enough.
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Telika: Amok, can you give us the exact reasons why you've dropped the act at this point ?
I can't "sniff", and I am not going to lie about someones clue when I can not prove it. I can say I do not like a cle (like Rob's), but I am not able to prove anything. I feel it is better to be honest with this now, and not get anyone lynched just to keep my cover.
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Vitek: @everyone; why would scum do it and then admit it?
That is a very good question, but I can't work out a town motivation for this. Seriously, why would town claim neutral and then tack on "oh but I have a town win condition". Add to that this weird thing that he's trying to do with the aniseed balls clue and I just can't see how he could possibly be town. And well, if he's not neutral then that only leaves scum left.

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SirPrimalform: What weird coincidence? If Robbeasy's clue had mentioned chocolate would that be a weird coincidence?

("Hmm, dogs are allergic to chocolate but there's no dog in the game!!!!")

This screams of a scummy last ditch attempt to divert attention onto Robbeasy.
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amok: I also hope you will remember this after this day is over :)
No, explain yourself goddamnit.

If you somehow are town then you should be ashamed of some of the worst town play I've seen in a long time. Explain the ever so strong link between dogs and aniseed balls and why it's weird that Rob's clue mentions aniseed balls if there's no dog.

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Telika: Okay, Frances is a male name now ?

*swallows two more aspirins*
Maybe Amok knows something we don't because I thought the masculine form was Francis.
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amok: I also hope you will remember this after this day is over :)
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SirPrimalform: No, explain yourself goddamnit.

If you somehow are town then you should be ashamed of some of the worst town play I've seen in a long time. Explain the ever so strong link between dogs and aniseed balls and why it's weird that Rob's clue mentions aniseed balls if there's no dog.
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I thought it was a well know fact that aniseed has the same effect on dogs as catnip has on cats. I knew it from childhood.
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amok: I thought it was a well know fact that aniseed has the same effect on dogs as catnip has on cats. I knew it from childhood.
I personally had never heard of that. Anyway, the question is : was this "common knowledge" for Robbeasy (or do we have reasons to assume so). And also, the link may be weakened by "has a taste for" (depending on what it paraphrases).

I don't really see the aniseed connexion. However, the Bianchi part alone makes me suspect a fabricated clue.
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DarkoD13: The presence of aniseed, I mean. Some related info:
http://www.ask.com/question/why-do-dogs-like-aniseed
http://voices.yahoo.com/canine-catnip-anise-dog-toy-26060.html
I had no idea what it was or what its effect was, but it does seem real enough.
Mmm, but aniseed balls are an old fashioned sweet. If catnip had been mentioned with no cat, yes I'd be suspicious but the mentioning of aniseed doesn't particularly suggest the presence of a dog. There's nothing weird about aniseed balls in a game with no dog.

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SirPrimalform: No, explain yourself goddamnit.

If you somehow are town then you should be ashamed of some of the worst town play I've seen in a long time. Explain the ever so strong link between dogs and aniseed balls and why it's weird that Rob's clue mentions aniseed balls if there's no dog.
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amok: ....

I thought it was a well know fact that aniseed has the same effect on dogs as catnip has on cats. I knew it from childhood.
I didn't know that until Darko posted it (it might be well known but certainly not as well known as the effect of catnip). But as I say above, unlike catnip aniseed is a spice consumed in many ways by humans so it's not particularly indicative of there being a dog, I still think you're trying to divert attention onto Rob.
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amok: I thought it was a well know fact that aniseed has the same effect on dogs as catnip has on cats. I knew it from childhood.
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Telika: I personally had never heard of that. Anyway, the question is : was this "common knowledge" for Robbeasy (or do we have reasons to assume so). And also, the link may be weakened by "has a taste for" (depending on what it paraphrases).

I don't really see the aniseed connexion. However, the Bianchi part alone makes me suspect a fabricated clue.
I grew up with dogs, so it may be more a connotation for me than "common knowledge". But I did find it suspicious back when I first read that clue, and still do. Both for the reason of the aniseed connection, but yes, also because of the Bianchi part.


Speaking of which - are we all now destined for some public ridicule?
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amok: ....

I thought it was a well know fact that aniseed has the same effect on dogs as catnip has on cats. I knew it from childhood.
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SirPrimalform: I didn't know that until Darko posted it (it might be well known but certainly not as well known as the effect of catnip). But as I say above, unlike catnip aniseed is a spice consumed in many ways by humans so it's not particularly indicative of there being a dog, I still think you're trying to divert attention onto Rob.
Fair enough.I understand. Lets just see how things go after this.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by amok
Post edited now by amok.

Anyway, I didn't see any change to the previous text, apart from the addition of that one.