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DarkoD13: The difference between the JMich/flub results. You think that a definitive "no" from JMich means he has a godfather ability, but flub's fart is inconspicuous. Is that your opinion? I'll post my PMs from the previous game about this in a while.
I only said he could be godfather considering how few mafia roles we saw so far so can't be 100% cleared even if CSPVG results are honest. You can add his farting part to it.

That's what mention is what I meant by him being "not the most reliable source of info".
But I mostly considered his results genuine. Deranged but genuine.
The thing is, Telika confirms that he indeed visited those people he claimed (on N2 and 3) so he has some sort of role and likely the claimed one considering his targets haven't died or anything and mafia already has some sort of cop.

EDIT: While I wast trying to post this for the milionth time I realised something. CSPVG claimed and told us that Telika was indeed blocked, right? Was it ever questioned that jailkeeper doesn't usually prevents investigations? Or am I remembering it work?
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DarkoD13: I'd also like a definitive explanation of what a strongman can actually do and what he's immune to.
Strongman is able to go through block or/and doctors.
See here.
What I am saying is that I think you have option of either hiding or using strongman kill, possibly with usage limit. Hiding is not directly related to strongman.


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flubbucket: What I find odd at this point is deciding between who is helping the town the least??

Vitek, CSPVG, JMich, P1na what a cast of characters. How can the four of you justify your scumhunting??
1.What? You consider this as good base for lynch right now? Wouldn't it be more convenient to lynch scum instead.

2.Fairly well if I ignore I was almost always wrong in this game.
But I did a lot. Certainly more than you.
I for sure feel offended by being put in the same category as JMich.
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Vitek: EDIT: While I wast trying to post this for the milionth time I realised something. CSPVG claimed and told us that Telika was indeed blocked, right? Was it ever questioned that jailkeeper doesn't usually prevents investigations? Or am I remembering it work?
He said he couldn't reach/investigate Telika, supporting nmillar's claim that he had jailed Telika. No, it was never doubted that his investigation would have been prevented by the jailer. Would it or wouldn't it have been prevented? I'm still not completely clear on how night actions get prioritized.

I don't doubt that he has a non-aggressive power (or one that doesn't appear aggressive), I just don't think he has an investigative one. Also, I don't see anything deranged in his claimed results. The idea that he might be an insane cop was one that he himself tried to plant into the game. (Inception)

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DarkoD13: I was thinking he probably has a watching role. Not sure if it's usual for scum, but he could serve as a far less powerful equivalent to Telika's role.
Or, if there's any part of truth to his claim and P1na wasn't the one responsible for Red's death, maybe he does indeed use hypnotic powers for nefarious purposes. Maybe it doesn't work on everyone OR he has to do it several times before it works and it causes one of his targets to kill someone on a later night. But that's far-fetched (and pretty awesome, please someone use this in a future game!!!).
If I had an informative/non-aggressive mafia role, I'd probably want my fate to be tied to that of someone I know is town (nmillar-jailer). That's how I perceive the timing and uselessness of his claim on day 2.
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Vitek: .............<snip>.................

But I did a lot. Certainly more than you.
I for sure feel offended by being put in the same category as JMich.
...and I've done more than P1na.

...and my mom can beat up your dad.

I can see your point and do not wish to offend. However, you will admit to being less than forthcoming?? I have been very open and very pro-information this entire game.

So who stopped the kill on Night One??
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flubbucket: I can see your point and do not wish to offend. However, you will admit to being less than forthcoming?? I have been very open and very pro-information this entire game.
No.
With what pro-informations were you open
That you said you are lyncher after pazzer tried to fake scum result on you?
And I was instead not running around screaming that I am doctor?

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flubbucket: So who stopped the kill on Night One??
Nmillar?

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DarkoD13: He said he couldn't reach/investigate Telika, supporting nmillar's claim that he had jailed Telika. No, it was never doubted that his investigation would have been prevented by the jailer. Would it or wouldn't it have been prevented? I'm still not completely clear on how night actions get prioritized.
On the mafiascum wiki it shows that thre is variant of jailer, Alien, which makes victim of jailkeepeing untargettable, but usualy it doesnt happen.

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DarkoD13: I don't doubt that he has a non-aggressive power (or one that doesn't appear aggressive), I just don't think he has an investigative one.
But which one if not investigative? He shouldn't be blocker as no one claimed being blocked by someoen else than nmillar so far and nothing happened to his targets.

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DarkoD13: Given your military background I think that you being a one-shot vigilante+some alternate role is more likely, ...
Do you realise I visited CSPVG on N2 (confirmed by Telika) and he is still alive?
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Vitek: Nmillar?
Or the claimed commuter. Or mafia chose not to kill anyone because they're nice.



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Vitek: Do you realise I visited CSPVG on N2 (confirmed by Telika) and he is still alive?
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DarkoD13: one-shot vigilante+some alternate role
Why do you keep making me quote myself?
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DarkoD13: I was thinking he probably has a watching role. Not sure if it's usual for scum, but he could serve as a far less powerful equivalent to Telika's role.
What I'm getting from your posts is that the only person that could have an alternate (strongman) power is me, even though I was targeted at least on 2 different nights and the result supported my commuter claim.
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DarkoD13: What I'm getting from your posts is that the only person that could have an alternate (strongman) power is me, even though I was targeted at least on 2 different nights and the result supported my commuter claim.
Then you are getting it wrong. It's only the most likely explanation for me, not the only one.
And I expalined well enough that I don't doubt your untargettable claim, yet you keep repeating how is it supported by others thus proving me wrong.
If you were targeted last night, fine, but you weren't so you could very well hide previous nights and kill this one.
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Vitek: Then you are getting it wrong. It's only the most likely explanation for me, not the only one.
And I expalined well enough that I don't doubt your untargettable claim, yet you keep repeating how is it supported by others thus proving me wrong.
If you were targeted last night, fine, but you weren't so you could very well hide previous nights and kill this one.
OK, I don't disagree then.
What I don't see is the connection between strongman ability and commuter ability and don't understand why you're passing over someone claiming investigator with two wildly different results. From all the people that have claimed so far (maybe apart from P1na), I feel that my claim is the one that has been as verified as it can be (without a flip, I guess). Beyond that, you have a theory that is just that, a theory and I would rather focus on an investigator that claimed out of nowhere, said he's unreliable, gave an an unsatisfying result and then a definitely negative result. But that's just me.
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Vitek: On the mafiascum wiki it shows that thre is variant of jailer, Alien, which makes victim of jailkeepeing untargettable, but usualy it doesnt happen.
Wait, so CSPVG should have been able to target Telika? And no one mentioned this before?
Nmillar was a jailer, not an alien.
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Vitek: Nmillar?
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DarkoD13: Or the claimed commuter. Or mafia chose not to kill anyone because they're nice.

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DarkoD13: one-shot vigilante+some alternate role
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DarkoD13:
That is the only thing that makes sense. nmillar the jailer balances out the strongman. He jailed Telika on Night One thus stopping the kill.

Make sense??

Unvote:Vitek

However I'm still scum hunting. The least likely townie in my opinion is....

Vote: CSPVG
I forgot to vote.
Vote CSPVG
This is either the last or the second to last day of the game if there is no scum lynch, so any activity is welcome.
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DarkoD13: I forgot to vote.
Vote CSPVG
This is either the last or the second to last day of the game if there is no scum lynch, so any activity is welcome.
You're talkin' statistics correct, not deadlines??
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flubbucket: You're talkin' statistics correct, not deadlines??
Yes, unless I've messed up the counting.
The Day's deadline is on the 18th.
How many of us are there left? I count six: P1na, DarkoD13, flubbucket, Vitek, JMich, and myself. Have I missed anyone?

I only ask as I want to know how many votes we'd need to achieve a lynch (If my count is correct, it would be four, no?).

Moving along: I know there has been some discussion about my claim, and I must say that it was indeed slightly silly to claim when I did. I must, however, restate my opinion that I was attempting to help confirm Telika (as, at that point, NMillar suspected him to be a mafia member, as there had been no night-kill), and give another possible explanation as to why there had been no death that night.

As for my supposed ability to negate NMillar's action and investigate Telika in anyway, I can say no more than what I received in my response PM; I went to investigate Telika but his door was locked, so my character simply decided Oh well, better luck next time and walked away. This, I think, lends credence to my suspicions about my role.

These suspicions being, of course, that I am either a deranged or naive Town Cop. When I claimed, my initial reaction was to suspect this, as my role PM mentions me being an old stage magician, and I was dubious about my ability to use hypnotism to extract information from people. While I can see how this could have been done, there was also the mention that one of the other player's suspected me of being something of a charlatan, so I'm not sure.

Also, I'm bothered by something I spotted in my PM. The entire PM is capitalised and punctuated, but for JMich's response, which reads, "no".*

What do you lot think, am I simply making too much of this?

Lastly, and this is going to seem like OMGUS, I suspect flubbucket the most. This is down to his vote hoping, and I feel that he's simply trying to start a train on an easy target (in this case me).