Never stop trying!

I'm pretty disapointed myself to see nobody heading to the guilty corner, it seems my suggestion had no effect. The mafia here must really be scum.

I was *this* close to go there.... but then I remember I was not mafia in this game.

Seem odd for you to not have anyone currently playing with which you have a like/dislike relationship.

yeah, I wish I had more to go on to.

Well, of course he has. Townie, neutral, or scum. I've tried to imagine what kind of consequences could be linked to a hammer, in each case.

Scum : A "non-read/flip" kill ? I don't expect something as radical as an additional nightkill or something.

Town : A supplementary info ? Flavour-able in terms of interrogation, or observation ?

Neutral : An individual victory condition (I would hardly care about that, I don't really see the point of neutral plays).

The most unsettling idea would be an "and then there were none" trick, a faked death, but I don't really see how this would play out in gameplay terms, or what/who it would benefit. If it's a scum lynch, though, I'd still be attentive to the following days' votecounts (or would vote for the victim once, just to be sure).

Still, if the agenda is scum, going full "let me hammer okay" would be quite ballsy. Especially as any weird effect would be pinned on him, and as a hammering could be achieved without warning. So, right now, I mostly see it safe-ish.

What I find weird is that on one hand you calculate based on the principle that everyone else has a couple of "like/dislike", yet you say that your own experience is simply a "like". You assume that your case is unique. For now, I am still wondering whether you have a reason to do so, or if you "made" it unique yourself.

You are also one of the most convinced proponent of full likes/dislikes claim ("don't see what bad can come from it" - for real ?), so that's two things about you that make my eyebrow twitch.

Hm. Even if I follow your train of thought there, it still leads me to two possibilities. Making that three. But yeah, it would leave open, somehow, the question of "doubles".

ANYWAY, this post because thread needs content. I can also copy-paste this, from my notes, which is my general chart of attitudes towards day1 info sharing. To be honest, I wrote it in the perspective of "most eager = scummier", because I find it a bit hypocritical to not see any drawback or danger in it. BUT, thinking of it, I think that the mafia would also have reasons to fear something, so this eagerness would be perhaps as weird from scum as from town. Right now, I'm shaking my compass, which doesn't work quite as well as before.

So, my crude notes are :

jmich totally yay plus names
amok totally yay ("don't see what bad can come from")
flub - same stance as amok ? ("smarty knickers")
redbaron, cspvg, nmillar claim likes spontaneously
p1na claims
robbeasy first not sure then no harm
quadralien nervous no claim
zchinque nervous
sirprimal not sure
darko not sure
vitek not sure
(missing : jacobbama)

Is it mostly correct ?

My own stance is a bit "middle ground", I think that some amount of shared info will be useful, but that going all the way to full puzzle completion can have antitown effects. My opinion comes from the suspicion that roles are associated to the professions that the OP links to some names, and from the fact that my own flavour MAY have already lead me to link an unclaimed name to a player. So, quite a few debateable hypotheses behind my own impressions (are professions meaningful, are these players even town, is my name deduction correct), but they lead to this stance of mine.

And bump, yes.

(Also, might not be very active in the next two days, because of festivities. But will be okay from wednesday or thursday on - when, in a way, I expect day 1 will fully start.)

Just trying to understand this part, is it supposed to be on the same line - what does cspvg stand for? (Other than some weird group in Ireland)

I do have a reasons for my likes/dislikes and lack of clue. I do not make myself unique, but I do think I may be unique in some form among us playing now. I think that is about all I want/can say about that.

Yeah, the calculations are based on best possible circumstances, and I do acknowledge that things may not turn out according to those circumstances. But it is so far all the data I have to work by, so I make those assumptions. When coming to bad outcomes - I think I am putting myself very much in the firing lane by going out so strongly like this (from both being lynched and from getting night killed), but I do think that the best option we have right now is to be as open as possible to see if this can be figured out.

Likewise, I would also question someone not wanting to try to figure out the clues to the murder we have been given. I do think that the risk by far is outweighed by the possibility to just string up the killers if the clues do reveal who they are.

Hm yeah sorry, these ARE rough notes.

Translation :

RedBaron, CSPVG and NMillar all spontanously broadcast their "likes/dislikes".

(also I suppose that cspvg stands for either the town or the mafia, but maybe we should ask him)

Ah yeah, well of course he has an agenda relating to the hammering thing but I meant something slightly broader also including the voting without explanation and so on. With the two of them together, it does rather look like he's trying to make himself suspicious.

Still your analysis is pretty good and you're right that it would be pretty damn ballsy as a scum move.

I more suspect him of being some kind of third party now which is why I unvoted, my last post is basically saying "I'm keeping an eye on you". Didn't Zchinque also admit to being the one whose name wasn't mentioned at the beginning or did I imagine that?

Well, at least the exercise wasn't in vain. I'm now reasonably sure we face people who will not oppenly admit to being scum.

I'm proud of my deductive reasoning, yes.

You did not imagine it - http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_19_a_slalom_mafia/post65

Thanks for pointing it out. So to be double sure: we are 15 players, but 14 is named. Zchinque claims he is not named. That actually opens up some interesting questions for me. Need a little time to think.... I think.

Yes.

If I'm not mistaken, this (and, yeah, the fact that Edie is not Eddie) solves both the Caroline Bianchi case and JMich's gender count, right ?

On one hand we had the issue of whether Caroline Bianchi could, or could not, be impersonated by a player, given that it is all a flashback narration from her - which implies that either she's alive at the end (a certitude no player can have) or she's impersonated (by that shifts the survival certitude to a player who's role could do that - what if the last player is a fat aged one-legged man).

On the other hand, JMich's says that we are 8 men and 8 women (am I correct, JMich, do you have the number eight, or only the "equality" ?).

If it's the case, then wiith 16 roles and 15 players we have :

Ladies :

1. (Caroline Bianchi - PC or NPC ?)
2. Harriet Franks
3. Frances Page
4. Constance Drabble
5. Prudence Eggars
6. Delilah Cattling
7. Rosemary Pollit
8. Edie Delaney

Gentlemen :

1. Gabriel Delaney
2. Peter Browning
3. Lawrence Birch
4. George Mariner
5. Christopher Sedgeworthy
6. Damian Hoarly
7. Bernie Von Moriz
8. ????

Zchinque would be the unnamed 8th man. No player would be Bianchi. Is this correct ?

But I presume the absence of the officer, at this point. The OP is the game's aftermath, the game is about the people who were there before the arrival of the authorities.

That's... that's... "spontaneous", in't it ?

(I keep using that word, I think it means what I think it means.)

I'm currently phoneposting, and probably will be for the next week or so, so quoting and stuff is a bit of a hassle. Anyways, my name is Kurt Pascal, so I am indeed the eighth man. Mentioning that mostly for posterity, as if anyone has any direct use of that, they'll likely have figured it out already.
And me hammering is not going to have an obvious effect on the game - it doesn't tamper with the lynch, prevent role info or any such thing.

:(@SPF for thinking I wouldn't do a ballsy play as scum.