Posted February 13, 2014
amok
FREEEEDOOOM!!!!
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted February 13, 2014
So, did SPF die after attacking (and killing) Robb, or did someone else do the killing? If reflector counts as a redirect, would a strongman bypass the protection only, or both the protection and the redirect?
But Robb was killed by lacerations, while SPF was holding a gun. Hm...
Would like to hear Red's explanations though before going after him.
But Robb was killed by lacerations, while SPF was holding a gun. Hm...
Would like to hear Red's explanations though before going after him.
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted February 13, 2014
Oh, Reflector, I missed that.
From what I found he amybe could have drawn kill to himself. Hm, it won't help us anyway.
I forgot to say it yesterday but now I want to hear what we learnt from pazzer's lynch in regards to flub.
Not from SPF's flip, not form anythig else but from pazzer's flip.
nmillar: I decided to jail Red_Baron, but he wasn't in his room. My understanding of the jailkeeper role is there are only two reasons for it not to be successful. The first would be a roleblocker. However, I would have expected some kind of flavour to suggest my attempt to jailkeep was blocked. As I didn't, the only other possibility is a mafia strong arm. Or more likely he is untargettable, commuter or something like that. Don't get me wrong, I am happy more people are voting him but this is not decisive proof. It is possible your theory is right, though (the one with strongarm).
Why are you sharing your numbers again?!
Also, I would like to note, for those of you, who are willing to remember previous games, that SPF was mafia and mentioned jester in this game several times. So he again supported my jester scumtell theory. ;-)
From what I found he amybe could have drawn kill to himself. Hm, it won't help us anyway.
I forgot to say it yesterday but now I want to hear what we learnt from pazzer's lynch in regards to flub.
Not from SPF's flip, not form anythig else but from pazzer's flip.
Why are you sharing your numbers again?!
Also, I would like to note, for those of you, who are willing to remember previous games, that SPF was mafia and mentioned jester in this game several times. So he again supported my jester scumtell theory. ;-)
Telika
Registered: Apr 2012
From Switzerland
Posted February 13, 2014
Couldn't find a page for reflector, just an online suggestion about it being over powered in case of kill attempts, and better balanced if it simply kills both the victim and the murderer. My interpretation is, spf forcing his way into the room, made the mirror explode, which killed both by multiple lacerations.
CSPVG is supposed to have cop reads ?
I still don't trust Nmillar (he suspected "definitely" rob and spf for the exact same reason, and suddenly dropped spf while keeping his suspicion on rob, a double standard I found very strange - especially as this logic would have applied slightly more to spf than rob). Difficult theme, as we are driven by unmentionable elements.
However : waiting for Red's answer to Nmillar. If it's true, we indeed have something. If not, would be a strange kamikaze move from Nmillar. I don't see indeed how a town role would bypass a jail.
CSPVG is supposed to have cop reads ?
I still don't trust Nmillar (he suspected "definitely" rob and spf for the exact same reason, and suddenly dropped spf while keeping his suspicion on rob, a double standard I found very strange - especially as this logic would have applied slightly more to spf than rob). Difficult theme, as we are driven by unmentionable elements.
However : waiting for Red's answer to Nmillar. If it's true, we indeed have something. If not, would be a strange kamikaze move from Nmillar. I don't see indeed how a town role would bypass a jail.
Robbeasy
Too Old
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted February 13, 2014
'Bah!' etc etc
Go Town!
Go Town!
Telika
Registered: Apr 2012
From Switzerland
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted February 13, 2014
I found this on Reflector on mafiascum wiki in some particular games:
Reflector - All Night choices targetting his target to affect him instead
<i>In]http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1417101#p1417101][i]In the future, you are a Townie Reflector and have the following special ability:
Future Abilities:
Mirror Shield - You have in your possession the reflective Mirror Shield, given to you by the Hero of Time. Each night, you may use the Mirror Shield and target two different players. If you do, then any kill made on you that night will fail to resolve, and if either of the targeted players attempts to use a killing ability on you that kill will be redirected to the other targeted player. Unfortunately, the Hero of Time was only able to give you the Mirror Shield after growing up enough to use the Silver Gauntlets, so you can only use the Mirror Shield during the future.[/url]
I persoanlly would see it more like the first one here.
Reflector - All Night choices targetting his target to affect him instead
<i>In]http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1417101#p1417101][i]In the future, you are a Townie Reflector and have the following special ability:
Future Abilities:
Mirror Shield - You have in your possession the reflective Mirror Shield, given to you by the Hero of Time. Each night, you may use the Mirror Shield and target two different players. If you do, then any kill made on you that night will fail to resolve, and if either of the targeted players attempts to use a killing ability on you that kill will be redirected to the other targeted player. Unfortunately, the Hero of Time was only able to give you the Mirror Shield after growing up enough to use the Silver Gauntlets, so you can only use the Mirror Shield during the future.[/url]
I persoanlly would see it more like the first one here.
P1na
Wandering fruit
Registered: Apr 2012
From Spain
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted February 13, 2014
Broken link ahoy.
Here is the correct one if anyone wants to check it, but I copied the relevant info here.
Here is the correct one if anyone wants to check it, but I copied the relevant info here.
Telika
Registered: Apr 2012
From Switzerland
Posted February 13, 2014
This discussion sounds more relevant to the general setting and crime scene.
"1. Reflector: Has a passive night ability-most (not all) night actions which target the reflector will instead hit the person who used them. "
"If it reflects kill, it's like super- army vetran (or whatever the role was). Last licks are fun, you might consider it "pratially reflecting" kills, so if he would get kill, both he and the killer are killed."
Telika
Registered: Apr 2012
From Switzerland
Posted February 13, 2014
Did it last day too. I assumed Nmillar's reasons tpo suspect for a while Sirprimal and Rob were the same ones I had pointed out in day 1, but nope, must have been a complely different angle. I had wrongly attributed a twilight thing to sirprimal. I don't think I had suspected spf.
Breh, restrictions on discutions are weird, and annoying. I really hope they have a good justification.
nmillar
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
Registered: Feb 2009
From United Kingdom
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted February 13, 2014
Because once again there can be other explanations for events than the one you present like only possible and it's only fair to mention them.
Red_Baron
Best Rant Ever!
Registered: Nov 2009
From Denmark
Posted February 13, 2014
Great we started again
nmillar: I decided to jail Red_Baron, but he wasn't in his room. My understanding of the jailkeeper role is there are only two reasons for it not to be successful. The first would be a roleblocker. However, I would have expected some kind of flavour to suggest my attempt to jailkeep was blocked. As I didn't, the only other possibility is a mafia strong arm. Ah yes, great to see you took a plunge there and committed suicide, but heck I guess there is a minor chance that Joe forgot that my role is female.... So how "HE" was not in his room is a very good question, another very good question is that since I haven't received any pm other than the number thing I find myself being puzzled by this claim. Even more so since I had you somewhat pecked as town.
Given that the scenarios to explain this if you are town is quite limited, I guess it is fairly safe to conclude that you are not.
So that makes a scum list of:
nmillar
Vitek
Amok
SPF -> Proven
flub?
Which just doesn't add up - though it would explain why it is so darn hard to get anything through, but damn unlikely so one of those can't be scum.
I thought we had conclusively decided what would happen if Pazzer was town? Guess we are also dropping that in favor of the usual; RB must be scum because... I don't actually know, lets just say he did something, be proven wrong and still insist that he is scum". But it is truly great to see all this suspicion I am gathering from the same people without any of them yet to post any good reasons for it. Worst part it, one of them got to be town...as more than 3 scum or 2 scum teams sounds unlikely.
The future is not looking good for town if this pattern is repeated again.
Given that the scenarios to explain this if you are town is quite limited, I guess it is fairly safe to conclude that you are not.
So that makes a scum list of:
nmillar
Vitek
Amok
SPF -> Proven
flub?
Which just doesn't add up - though it would explain why it is so darn hard to get anything through, but damn unlikely so one of those can't be scum.
I thought we had conclusively decided what would happen if Pazzer was town? Guess we are also dropping that in favor of the usual; RB must be scum because... I don't actually know, lets just say he did something, be proven wrong and still insist that he is scum". But it is truly great to see all this suspicion I am gathering from the same people without any of them yet to post any good reasons for it. Worst part it, one of them got to be town...as more than 3 scum or 2 scum teams sounds unlikely.
The future is not looking good for town if this pattern is repeated again.
Telika
Registered: Apr 2012
From Switzerland
Posted February 13, 2014
You're claiming that you have no explanation for your "absence" other than Nmillar lying ?
So, if-if after all ?