I picked the exact same number as last time: 2.

good point. I have just suspected him from day 1. I am very slow to change my mind....

So, did SPF die after attacking (and killing) Robb, or did someone else do the killing? If reflector counts as a redirect, would a strongman bypass the protection only, or both the protection and the redirect?

But Robb was killed by lacerations, while SPF was holding a gun. Hm...

Would like to hear Red's explanations though before going after him.

Couldn't find a page for reflector, just an online suggestion about it being over powered in case of kill attempts, and better balanced if it simply kills both the victim and the murderer. My interpretation is, spf forcing his way into the room, made the mirror explode, which killed both by multiple lacerations.

CSPVG is supposed to have cop reads ?

I still don't trust Nmillar (he suspected "definitely" rob and spf for the exact same reason, and suddenly dropped spf while keeping his suspicion on rob, a double standard I found very strange - especially as this logic would have applied slightly more to spf than rob). Difficult theme, as we are driven by unmentionable elements.

However : waiting for Red's answer to Nmillar. If it's true, we indeed have something. If not, would be a strange kamikaze move from Nmillar. I don't see indeed how a town role would bypass a jail.

'Bah!' etc etc

Go Town!

Ok, yes, there are indeed some. Checked after vitek's post. Still not the if-if that I hoped for.

I found this on Reflector on mafiascum wiki in some particular games:

Reflector - All Night choices targetting his target to affect him instead

<i>In]http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1417101#p1417101][i]In the future, you are a Townie Reflector and have the following special ability:

Future Abilities:
Mirror Shield - You have in your possession the reflective Mirror Shield, given to you by the Hero of Time. Each night, you may use the Mirror Shield and target two different players. If you do, then any kill made on you that night will fail to resolve, and if either of the targeted players attempts to use a killing ability on you that kill will be redirected to the other targeted player. Unfortunately, the Hero of Time was only able to give you the Mirror Shield after growing up enough to use the Silver Gauntlets, so you can only use the Mirror Shield during the future.[/url]

I persoanlly would see it more like the first one here.

I wanted to go high five with somebody, to cheer me up,

Broken link ahoy.

Here is the correct one if anyone wants to check it, but I copied the relevant info here.

This discussion sounds more relevant to the general setting and crime scene.

Also : nope. According to my notes, totally mixing up sirprimalform and twilightbard there.

Did it last day too. I assumed Nmillar's reasons tpo suspect for a while Sirprimal and Rob were the same ones I had pointed out in day 1, but nope, must have been a complely different angle. I had wrongly attributed a twilight thing to sirprimal. I don't think I had suspected spf.

Breh, restrictions on discutions are weird, and annoying. I really hope they have a good justification.

Why are you giving out free alibis again?!

Because once again there can be other explanations for events than the one you present like only possible and it's only fair to mention them.

Great we started again

Ah yes, great to see you took a plunge there and committed suicide, but heck I guess there is a minor chance that Joe forgot that my role is female.... So how "HE" was not in his room is a very good question, another very good question is that since I haven't received any pm other than the number thing I find myself being puzzled by this claim. Even more so since I had you somewhat pecked as town.

Given that the scenarios to explain this if you are town is quite limited, I guess it is fairly safe to conclude that you are not.

So that makes a scum list of:

nmillar
Vitek
Amok
SPF -> Proven
flub?

Which just doesn't add up - though it would explain why it is so darn hard to get anything through, but damn unlikely so one of those can't be scum.

I thought we had conclusively decided what would happen if Pazzer was town? Guess we are also dropping that in favor of the usual; RB must be scum because... I don't actually know, lets just say he did something, be proven wrong and still insist that he is scum". But it is truly great to see all this suspicion I am gathering from the same people without any of them yet to post any good reasons for it. Worst part it, one of them got to be town...as more than 3 scum or 2 scum teams sounds unlikely.
The future is not looking good for town if this pattern is repeated again.

Aren't the scenarios to explain this if he is mafia quite limited too ?

You're claiming that you have no explanation for your "absence" other than Nmillar lying ?

So, if-if after all ?