I was distracted by the final boss of Etrian Odyssey 4, Robbeasy is presumably still ill, what are everyone else's excuses? :P

I have made up my mind, and so far seen nothing yet which have changed it. I am a single-minded, stubborn person... and so I have nothing much new to say really.

I am more wondering why does who do not vote, do not. I did wonder the same in the other game also. Casting a vote at some point, and need to justify it, reveals something about you.

Well I think for a lot of people it might just be that they haven't re-cast their votes since the reset, but you're right that there are some who don't seem to have cast any serious votes yet.

Well I cant think of any bigger slip than the referring to town in the third person, and along with the softclaim that wasn't, I definitely should

vote Vitek

I have not had the time.

ARGHI want to drop the Vitek thing now, because it doesn't seem to be going anywhere and maybe I am just being stupid about it, but then WHAT IF??

Vitek:
"But nit doesn't exactly seem as if everybody went rampant after my comment."
or
"But nit doesn't exactly seem as if you (yous/y'all/all of you) went rampant after my comment."

AND

having thought about it maybe I was stupid BUT NO

still.
Let's have a look at all the players from memory:

Robbeasy: Defensive about something earlier, aggressive about Vitek. I happen to know that this is normal for him. I'm going to try and have a game without suspecting Rob. If he IS mafia then I trust yous to get him on your own.
Flubbucket: Aggressive at Vitek. Not making much sense. But I've known what it's like to be so convinced that someone is guilty that you obsess over every little thing, exploding it in your head. I don't know.
Vitek: Ever the voice of Sanity and Reason. He's written to things that could be interpreted and Mafiesque, but they'd better not be because I'm ignoring them now.
QuadrAlien: Didn't mention me in summary. I'm offended. QuadrAlien is probably mafia. Everybody vote.
QuadrAlien's predecessor: I can't actually remember who it was or anything that they did I'd better check.
gkaiser: Don't tell us about your character! Keep the information away from the mafias because the less that they know about Town's lineup the better. Not getting involved enough but it's difficult for new player.
amok: has said some things. Done a bit of supersoftclaiming. Don’t do this either! The less information the mafia have the better. Giving even harmless flavour away could be used to construct a more believable false claim. His supersoftclaim is believable enough though. Could it be something a Mafioso is given as a falseclaim? It doesn’t seem like the sort of thing. In which case amok is probably Town. It’s nice to be able to say that. But what price have we payed? Don’t do this fellas!
CPSVG: ummmmm… I can’t remember? Has been keeping track of who hasn’t been active? Oh yeah! Got into an argument with…. The other guy. I think they’re probably both town. Was that Darko?
Darko: I don’t think has been replaced by quadralien? Doing fine – struggling with It’sMyFirstMafiaGameAAAAH and coping very well. Had an argument with the other other guy. Probs town I say.
Sprimalform: Not lurking? V. suspect. Has suspicions about everyone but I can’t think what they are.
JMich: Has said something about…. No I can’t remember…. It’s at the top of this page let me check…. Ah he’s suspicious of SirP. Fair enough and makes a good point. JMich is in my ‘could be mafia’ pile.
JoeSapphire: Standard.

So unless Darko and Quadralien are the same, that’s everybody, let me check.
Hooray for me!
So who is my TOP FAVOURITE mafia at this moment in time?.....

SPRIMALFORM!

QUADRALIEN!

JMICH!

I suppose you could substitute Vitek and QuadrAlien. Based on My Psychic Abilities I have, by process of elimination decided that the mafia is Sprimal, Vitek, Jmich. It all seemed so clear at the beginning of that sentence…

All for now. Back to work. xxx

Ugh, it is worded kind of oddly. While it could be a slip, as good as Vitek's English is it's not his first language. It is believable that he meant the town as in everyone here on the boat (after all, scum are still in the town, they just want to control it).

But with the "softclaim" as well (which I interpreted as a joke at the time and responded in kind), I agree it does begin to form a picture. As Joe points out, it's a nice innocuous thing to throw out so you can point at it later to back up a false claim. Of course the alternative is that he is our backup doctor and we've buggered everything up.

I'm also not sure what to make of Flub. Was that really just miscommunication between him and Vitek, a scummy case against a townie or a distancing tactic between buddies?

I'd like to hear a little more from Flub so I'll leave my vote where it is just now.

EDITBEFOREPOSTBECAUSEIACTUALLYTYPEDTHISEARLIER:

Yeah, I think my sudden increase in activity is down to having a job. Now I'm actively trying to find things to do other than work! Also I currently only suspect 3 people, so you get this face:

~.~
3

I solemnly swear that I'm still here and I'm not the same person as QuadrAlien.
Any other reason for suspecting JMich besides your awesome psychic abilities? He looks like an enigma to me so far.


P.S. Slow day, huh? Could be because of the seasickness.

If you say "The Town" it implies you're talking about an actual Town (and therefore the people within the Town)" if you say "Town" it seems to be a proper town - like the name of a group of people. In a newspaper you might read "The Town was in uproar" but you wouldn't read "Town is in uproar" unless it was referring to a band or a group or something like that who were named Town. That was just linguistics and nothing really to do with the game.
xxx

oh no! I said it first so only I get to do it.


interesting. Quad? Any thoughts on this?

I think I UNDERreacted. Usually unnecessary claims really annoy me, and actually this time I've been letting them go by without really thinking about them. It must be because of where my head is at the moment and how busy I am. Well. When I was doing a more general overview I thought I should probably mention it. And it's true. You should NEVER claim - no matter how soft - without good reason. If it might prevent a mislynch okay. If you're power has got you information then maybe fine. Part of a mass claim yeah alright.
BUT giving away information just because you feel like it?

We're playing to win here people!!

(Alright maybe I AM being too severe... perhaps if we took a more relaxed attitude to the game we would have more fun?
Claiming is fun. There's no doubt about it)

I meant genuine in the sense that it wasn't based on other people's arguments at that point, just my own observation. So although I was dismissing some arguments against you, I was still genuinely suspicious of you but not very suspicious (at the time).

There's not really any grammatical rule that means that adding "the" would have made it clearer, but to me "the town" would look slightly less suspicious. I have to admit that I didn't pick up on the 'slip' at all, unlike your 'softclaim' which Robbeasy apparently thinks I was serious about.

The problem I have in mafia games is paranoia. I tend to end up suddenly getting worried that those I've been reasonably confident about are actually playing me for a fool. This crept up on me while writing 261 which (took place over a couple of hours and) is why I start out saying that it's believable that it wasn't a slip and then end up more suspicious of you than I was before.

On their own your two 'things' seemed inconsequential.
I didn't think your so called softclaim was a softclaim at the time, but I currently feel somewhat naive for just considering it a joke. It was Joe's falseclaim seed argument that convinced me there was something in the claim idea (funnily enough I didn't get to post it until after he decided you were fine, but I still think there's something in it).

Urgh. I do want to hear more from Flub but to put my vote where my mouth is (and call your bluff maybe?), unvote Flub, vote Vitek. No face-sitting here. ;)

What bluff?

You are really jumping around like crazy. Now you managed to vote Robb for attacking me for that "softclaim" stuff and me for that "softclaim" stuff. That's pretty impressive.

Do you even remember that only you, not even I was able to get that connection between make-up and claim?
Wait. I just realised you said something about something about backup doctor in your last post. Where did you get that idea from? Am I missing some other claim here?


@Joe; Town/The Town part - sorry you lost me. And they say czech is hard language to learn. :-)
Quadr part - what do you expect him to say? Do you think he could admit it? :-)
claim part - you already let some claims go in this game?
You should already know that I am no fan of any claiming whatsoever, but you are acting like it's end of world and just a little too "anxious" about it.

Something about your last post seemed a bit like you were sort of challenging me, the stuff about fence sitting and so on. A bit "Well go on and vote for me then!", so I decided to go with it and see what happens. You're not vengeful are you?

There's been a few days in between, and I was thinking about it differently back then. See below.

Right. There's two completely separate interpretations of your make up thing going on here.

I originally interpreted it at face value as a joke, the logic in my reply was "If that was a soft claim, what role might have a lot of make up? Well, mafia roleblockers are sometimes called prostitutes or 'dancers'".

The other interpretation is reading your comment as saying that you can make up for the lack of Doctor. If I'm not mistaken, this is how Rob interpreted it and also how Joe interpreted it. After thinking about it some more I believe they have a point. So my mentioning of a backup doctor is part of that interpretation.

Ugh.
I just... ugh.
You never cease to amaze me.

Sure. In context of all things it makes perfect sense. By saying "Don't worry I have a lot of make-up" around the end of RVS I softclaimed doctor, because it would be great quote to use later to solidify my position after I claim it, and the I went and dismissed amok's theories about doctor to make my claim more believeable.

I am done here. You won't hear single word about this from me anymore because...
No, I am not rude enough to finish that sentence.

Sorry, just pretend the end is not there and I said "because it's of no use".

Interesting...