Posted November 09, 2011
Of course there is more than 1 faction.
We have town & we have Mafia.
That's 2 that we know of!
;-}
Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Of course there is more than 1 faction.
We have town & we have Mafia.
That's 2 that we know of!
;-}
Damnation
And never to return...
Registered: Mar 2009
From Denmark
TwilightBard
Luteless Bard
Registered: Sep 2008
From United States
Posted November 09, 2011
Mafia 7 was a newbie game :P
Better post when I come home from the gym.
Damnation
And never to return...
Registered: Mar 2009
From Denmark
Posted November 09, 2011
Mafia 7 was a newbie game :P
Better post when I come home from the gym.
Orryyrro
Flying Squirrel!
Registered: Mar 2010
From Canada
Posted November 09, 2011
I'd be more convinced to listen to Rod's arguments if it wasn't always his argument against nmillar, and if it weren't for the whole Baz thing.
unvote
unvote
sdf1234
New User
Registered: Dec 2010
From Colombia
Posted November 10, 2011
Let me get it straight - you suspect me for not being suspected?
I don't understand what you meant there.
Care to explain?
Damnation: And funny thing - Ubivis claimed doctor in mafia 2 as well, and he receive insane amounts of flak for doing it unprovoked, but not baz? Did Ubivis turn to be mafia?
If not, why are you bringing this up?
Damnation: a rabbit hole that was dug by Rod, but we were very much pushed into it by baz and nmillar to a certain degree.
...
nmillar, however, is probably one people are wondering why I put on my list of mafia reads. Firstly, he seemed eager to prod Rod for soem information - extorting it for his own benefit, but when Rod exclaimed wish to drop it, he stopped ... Are you claiming nmillar pushed us into the hole, or that he stopped proding when Rod asked to drop the subject? If he stopped proding, how were we pushed into the hole?
Rodzaju: Nmillar is an experienced player, but to my knowledge has never actually been mafia before... Irrelevant, unless you are suggesting roles were not randomly assigned.
As for the phrasing at post 39 by nmillar - quoting before saying something usually explains your reasoning, and post 39 quoted the flavor. Moreover, nmillar is consistent with his reasoning a week after it was first brought up (post 90, answer to baz in particular). All in all, it seems as a weak argument against nmillar.
Actually, Damnation has now suppresed QuadrAlien as my top suspect for causing commotion and confusion in town. Not voting yet, as I want to wait for the response.
I don't understand what you meant there.
Care to explain?
If not, why are you bringing this up?
...
nmillar, however, is probably one people are wondering why I put on my list of mafia reads. Firstly, he seemed eager to prod Rod for soem information - extorting it for his own benefit, but when Rod exclaimed wish to drop it, he stopped ...
As for the phrasing at post 39 by nmillar - quoting before saying something usually explains your reasoning, and post 39 quoted the flavor. Moreover, nmillar is consistent with his reasoning a week after it was first brought up (post 90, answer to baz in particular). All in all, it seems as a weak argument against nmillar.
Actually, Damnation has now suppresed QuadrAlien as my top suspect for causing commotion and confusion in town. Not voting yet, as I want to wait for the response.
Damnation
And never to return...
Registered: Mar 2009
From Denmark
Posted November 10, 2011
Pretty much, yeah
Essentially I mean I only ever read of one mindset from you, you follow only one possibility while there might be thousands present
Ubivis roleclaimed town doctor and got extreme amounts of flak for it - everything else is unimportant, but yes, he turned out to be the mafia roleblocker
itai.sharim: Are you claiming nmillar pushed us into the hole, or that he stopped proding when Rod asked to drop the subject? If he stopped proding, how were we pushed into the hole? You might wish to read that again - I also mention baz, so your question is rather strange since you focus only on me mentioning nmillar, no? Attempting to protect your partner-in-crime or something?
I know this is directed at Rod, but seriously? What the hell are you trying to say here, other than you knowing who is mafia and who isn't? Rod replied to jafa who claimed nmillar was an experienced mafia player - he's experienced at the game, not at being part of the mafia, which was exactly what Rod pointed out.This means, no matter what way you cut it, that nmillar is experienced at the game, but is a newbie at being mafia. The fact that you bring up the question whether the roles are randomly assigned or not and that Rod's post is irrelevant seems to me that you know more of the setup than us - such as who is mafia and who isn't?
itai.sharim: As for the phrasing at post 39 by nmillar - quoting before saying something usually explains your reasoning, and post 39 quoted the flavor. Moreover, nmillar is consistent with his reasoning a week after it was first brought up (post 90, answer to baz in particular). All in all, it seems as a weak argument against nmillar. Let me just quote post 90 for you,
Said in response to baz questioning a theory nmillar suggested in post 86, which is NOT post 39. Please note that we're dealing with how he phrased post 39 - this has been elaborated upon and discussed between your post and my wall of text. Had post 86 been his original post on the whole "more mafia factions than 1", there would be no issue - we're discussing his statement, which was made as though he considered there being multiple mafia factions as fact, not as a possibility (Which to anyone who do not know the setup is all the conclusion we can arrive at - it being possible, but not certain - at least until more information is delivered)
Always happy to help, I suppose :p
Essentially I mean I only ever read of one mindset from you, you follow only one possibility while there might be thousands present
Ubivis roleclaimed town doctor and got extreme amounts of flak for it - everything else is unimportant, but yes, he turned out to be the mafia roleblocker
I know this is directed at Rod, but seriously? What the hell are you trying to say here, other than you knowing who is mafia and who isn't? Rod replied to jafa who claimed nmillar was an experienced mafia player - he's experienced at the game, not at being part of the mafia, which was exactly what Rod pointed out.This means, no matter what way you cut it, that nmillar is experienced at the game, but is a newbie at being mafia. The fact that you bring up the question whether the roles are randomly assigned or not and that Rod's post is irrelevant seems to me that you know more of the setup than us - such as who is mafia and who isn't?
Said in response to baz questioning a theory nmillar suggested in post 86, which is NOT post 39. Please note that we're dealing with how he phrased post 39 - this has been elaborated upon and discussed between your post and my wall of text. Had post 86 been his original post on the whole "more mafia factions than 1", there would be no issue - we're discussing his statement, which was made as though he considered there being multiple mafia factions as fact, not as a possibility (Which to anyone who do not know the setup is all the conclusion we can arrive at - it being possible, but not certain - at least until more information is delivered)
Always happy to help, I suppose :p
sdf1234
New User
Registered: Dec 2010
From Colombia
Posted November 10, 2011
Thanks for pointing that out. I have misread the conversation.
Rod, please ignore.
Post 39 contains problematic phrasing. Post 90 contains his explanation to post 39 phrasing. One week later, he explains post 39 phrasing again in a way consistent with the explanation which appeared on post 90. Both times, his explanation seems plausible because of the post 39 reference to flavor.
I hope I explained myself better this time around.
Damnation
And never to return...
Registered: Mar 2009
From Denmark
Posted November 10, 2011
I hope I explained myself better this time around.
Actually, why are you so set on protecting nmillar?
sdf1234
New User
Registered: Dec 2010
From Colombia
Posted November 10, 2011
So why did you say he did?
When and how?
Damnation: your original question clearly seem to omit the fact that I mentioned baz in the exact line you take issue with. Correct. I have found no contradiction regarding your statement about baz.
Up until now that is.
Damnation: Then there's the claim as doctor in post 227. This was also the first post where baz actually admitted to the name mentioned by Rod. Even worse, he made a roleclaim, and a powerrole at that. Yet you vote nmillar.
I have no issue with you saying something about nmillar. My issue is with contradicting statements, especially if made on the same post.
You agree it would have been foolish of me to try and protect my "scumbuddy" but yet you claim I'm triggering your "scumdar".
Damnation: BUT you disregard the fact that this elaboration came two days AFTER, meaning he obviously had plenty of time to reread the thread ... You are really missing my point here. Since post 39 nmillar based his claim upon the flavor (as evident by his post 39 quoting). Never did he admit slipping, nor tried to explain it in any other way. His claim was always constructed upon the flavor.
More attacking you than protecting nmillar.
You have all probably guessed it by now -
Vote Damnation
When and how?
Up until now that is.
I have no issue with you saying something about nmillar. My issue is with contradicting statements, especially if made on the same post.
You agree it would have been foolish of me to try and protect my "scumbuddy" but yet you claim I'm triggering your "scumdar".
More attacking you than protecting nmillar.
You have all probably guessed it by now -
Vote Damnation
QuadrAlien
Mechfusilier
Registered: Apr 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted November 10, 2011
I personally had my suspicions about Rodzaju knowing something about Doctors after the Town will be in real trouble if they find out who whatever-his-name is statement, though wasn't going to say anything for what I assumed were fairly obvious reasons. I have further considerations on Rodzaju, of which for the moment I will say naught as stating them would do more harm than good.
Itai - you've considered nmillar town since at least post #198, and at the time never gave any explanation for this, even when JoeSapphire brought it up in the very next post. You're not getting away from the fact that you've defended nmillar that easily, I'm afraid. Your attempt to convert this into an attack on Damnation seems... well, panicked. Not to mention it seems to involve cutting up bits of his sentences and arranging them in ways that makes the quotes most useful to you...
Take the apparent contradiction, for example - as far as I can tell, the reason Damnation brought up Game #2 was to point out that none of us seemed to have jumped on Bazilisek for the Doctor claim this game as had occurred then. However, you now take the result of a conversation based on the result of that game and try and apply it directly as a reason for how his vote should lie, which I don't think is as directly connected to the original point as you'd like us to believe.
Seeing that first sentence being chopped in half to put in another comment seems to be done purely for the sake of trying to get another sentence in pressuring him is not helping this feeling.
So, if you'll excuse this one possibly looking slightly on the OMGUS side due to you attacking me when I mistakenly made similar actions in the past...
vote itai.sharim
FoS: nmillar, for reasons of "Two scum identified", as I'm led to believe he'd put it. :)
Itai - you've considered nmillar town since at least post #198, and at the time never gave any explanation for this, even when JoeSapphire brought it up in the very next post. You're not getting away from the fact that you've defended nmillar that easily, I'm afraid. Your attempt to convert this into an attack on Damnation seems... well, panicked. Not to mention it seems to involve cutting up bits of his sentences and arranging them in ways that makes the quotes most useful to you...
Take the apparent contradiction, for example - as far as I can tell, the reason Damnation brought up Game #2 was to point out that none of us seemed to have jumped on Bazilisek for the Doctor claim this game as had occurred then. However, you now take the result of a conversation based on the result of that game and try and apply it directly as a reason for how his vote should lie, which I don't think is as directly connected to the original point as you'd like us to believe.
Seeing that first sentence being chopped in half to put in another comment seems to be done purely for the sake of trying to get another sentence in pressuring him is not helping this feeling.
So, if you'll excuse this one possibly looking slightly on the OMGUS side due to you attacking me when I mistakenly made similar actions in the past...
vote itai.sharim
FoS: nmillar, for reasons of "Two scum identified", as I'm led to believe he'd put it. :)
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Robbeasy
Too Old
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted November 10, 2011
I'm losing track a little here - can we have a votecount please, MOD?
I have a couple of thoughts on the 'battle' that has sprung up between Damnation and itai. , amongst other things, but its time to eat now and I need time away from this damn computer, so I'll be back later to lay those thoughts out...
I have a couple of thoughts on the 'battle' that has sprung up between Damnation and itai. , amongst other things, but its time to eat now and I need time away from this damn computer, so I'll be back later to lay those thoughts out...
jefequeso
New User
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted November 10, 2011
I have a couple of thoughts on the 'battle' that has sprung up between Damnation and itai. , amongst other things, but its time to eat now and I need time away from this damn computer, so I'll be back later to lay those thoughts out...
Having trouble keeping track of everything that's going on.
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted November 10, 2011
Ah the SirPrimalform intrigue isn't really appropriate at this stage of the game. Sorry I mentioned it without checking. Forget about it.
No but remind me about it later, - actually It's fine. I've made a physical note so I won't forget. It's hidden in a safe place where I'll easily find it.
No but remind me about it later, - actually It's fine. I've made a physical note so I won't forget. It's hidden in a safe place where I'll easily find it.