Every time I try to be a smartass, there's always someone who wants to talk sense....

Heh, sorry, but it was either me or likely to be nmillar, and since I was in the process of eating an apple, I thought I took priority on the "smartassedly rebutt the smartass" :D

*COUGH*Mafia6*COUGH*

Mafia 7 was a newbie game :P

Better post when I come home from the gym.

Oh yeah :p Mistyped/misremembered that :D

I'd be more convinced to listen to Rod's arguments if it wasn't always his argument against nmillar, and if it weren't for the whole Baz thing.

unvote

Let me get it straight - you suspect me for not being suspected?

I don't understand what you meant there.
Care to explain?

Did Ubivis turn to be mafia?
If not, why are you bringing this up?

Are you claiming nmillar pushed us into the hole, or that he stopped proding when Rod asked to drop the subject? If he stopped proding, how were we pushed into the hole?

Irrelevant, unless you are suggesting roles were not randomly assigned.

As for the phrasing at post 39 by nmillar - quoting before saying something usually explains your reasoning, and post 39 quoted the flavor. Moreover, nmillar is consistent with his reasoning a week after it was first brought up (post 90, answer to baz in particular). All in all, it seems as a weak argument against nmillar.

Actually, Damnation has now suppresed QuadrAlien as my top suspect for causing commotion and confusion in town. Not voting yet, as I want to wait for the response.

I think this is important. I'll try to find this mafia #2 thread. More on this later.

Nice dodge but the contradicting statements only apply to nmillar. Please try and answer the question.

Thanks for pointing that out. I have misread the conversation.
Rod, please ignore.

Post 39 contains problematic phrasing. Post 90 contains his explanation to post 39 phrasing. One week later, he explains post 39 phrasing again in a way consistent with the explanation which appeared on post 90. Both times, his explanation seems plausible because of the post 39 reference to flavor.
I hope I explained myself better this time around.

No, nmillar did not push us into the hole we're in, but he sure did assist in it. baz was the one who pushed us into the hole, which is quite clear in my original, so I do not understand your original question really - your original question clearly seem to omit the fact that I mentioned baz in the exact line you take issue with. Also, why do you take issue with something I say about nmillar? Your attempt at defending him is not doing any less for triggering my scumdar.

I am not arguing that his second theory - or elaboration of his first "theory" - which he still presented in a fashion implying it was fact - was well argued, BUT you disregard the fact that this elaboration came two days AFTER, meaning he obviously had plenty of time to reread the thread, realise he made a slip, and then attempt to cover it up - and unless you're both mafia and you're foolishly attempting to protect your scumbuddy, you have bitten into his argument.

Actually, why are you so set on protecting nmillar?

So why did you say he did?
When and how?

Correct. I have found no contradiction regarding your statement about baz.
Up until now that is.

Yet you vote nmillar.

I have no issue with you saying something about nmillar. My issue is with contradicting statements, especially if made on the same post.

You agree it would have been foolish of me to try and protect my "scumbuddy" but yet you claim I'm triggering your "scumdar".

You are really missing my point here. Since post 39 nmillar based his claim upon the flavor (as evident by his post 39 quoting). Never did he admit slipping, nor tried to explain it in any other way. His claim was always constructed upon the flavor.

More attacking you than protecting nmillar.

You have all probably guessed it by now -
Vote Damnation

I personally had my suspicions about Rodzaju knowing something about Doctors after the Town will be in real trouble if they find out who whatever-his-name is statement, though wasn't going to say anything for what I assumed were fairly obvious reasons. I have further considerations on Rodzaju, of which for the moment I will say naught as stating them would do more harm than good.

Itai - you've considered nmillar town since at least post #198, and at the time never gave any explanation for this, even when JoeSapphire brought it up in the very next post. You're not getting away from the fact that you've defended nmillar that easily, I'm afraid. Your attempt to convert this into an attack on Damnation seems... well, panicked. Not to mention it seems to involve cutting up bits of his sentences and arranging them in ways that makes the quotes most useful to you...

Take the apparent contradiction, for example - as far as I can tell, the reason Damnation brought up Game #2 was to point out that none of us seemed to have jumped on Bazilisek for the Doctor claim this game as had occurred then. However, you now take the result of a conversation based on the result of that game and try and apply it directly as a reason for how his vote should lie, which I don't think is as directly connected to the original point as you'd like us to believe.

Seeing that first sentence being chopped in half to put in another comment seems to be done purely for the sake of trying to get another sentence in pressuring him is not helping this feeling.

So, if you'll excuse this one possibly looking slightly on the OMGUS side due to you attacking me when I mistakenly made similar actions in the past...

vote itai.sharim

FoS: nmillar, for reasons of "Two scum identified", as I'm led to believe he'd put it. :)

I'm quite happy that you say you get a sense of joy from my posts earlier on around the time Rodzaju and Bazilisek were causing all the discussion. I'll explain why; I have to admit that I was happy about the claim, for the simple reason that it created a lot of discussion, and my good fortune to be around and free to join in with the action. It was the first time I've really done that in forum mafia and it was great fun.
Of course it's not a great tactical position to have two claimed players on day one but it makes for interesting gameplay and I'm not one to dwell on mistakes of the past. We don't even know where it will lead us yet so I'm still optimistic.

Now as to why I'm happy about your read of my posts - as I was playing at that time it occurred to me that I was getting quite excited and wasn't being nearly as cautious over what I was writing as usual. And I thought to myself "It's good to create this sort of discussion, as this is when the mafia will be the most vulnerable - it's likely that mafia will avoid this kind of discussion." I made a mental note that Vitek (my sort of "gut feeling" suspicion for this game) had posted around the time but didn't get too involved. Of course it's likely that he didn't have free time - it was just luck that I had nothing to do for a few hours, so it's can't be called significant with any certainty.
Well anyway, I'm glad that you could read my excitement into that as it means I really was bearing my genuine... - whatever - as I had nothing to hide.

Okay enough about that.

Mt Sharim (intending to type Mr Sharim but Mount Sharim is quite a charming name so it stays) has put the eye on himself a bit. I don't think there's any problem with pointing out flaws in logic, but his defense of nmillar does seem quite passionate.

It's good to hear from Damnation. Seems to be sort of hot-headed and, what's the word I'm looking for? I shall liken him to an angry debatist in the house of commons. No that's not what I'm going for. Anyway. He has intimated that it's his style and that worries me slightly. Justifying a vicious playing style before he's even begun, but I'm not really getting too much stench of evil from him.

I've just remembered that there was something said by SirPrimalform ages ago which I made a mental note to question but I've forgotten what it was. I'll try and find it and get back to you in ten minutes.

I'm losing track a little here - can we have a votecount please, MOD?

I have a couple of thoughts on the 'battle' that has sprung up between Damnation and itai. , amongst other things, but its time to eat now and I need time away from this damn computer, so I'll be back later to lay those thoughts out...

Seconded. I'd like a votecount as well.

Having trouble keeping track of everything that's going on.

Ah the SirPrimalform intrigue isn't really appropriate at this stage of the game. Sorry I mentioned it without checking. Forget about it.

No but remind me about it later, - actually It's fine. I've made a physical note so I won't forget. It's hidden in a safe place where I'll easily find it.