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And finished with day 1.
I really don't like replacing in, you know that?

A couple of musings:
Orry seems to be following his meta of saying pretty much nothing of consequence.
More or less every time someone mentioned SirPrimalform I went "wait, he's playing?".

And some snippets:
(My comments were written when I got to the post in question)

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grynn: Forgive my good heart nmillar :(. I just don't wanna see anyone die before the real deal begins, no matter if it's towny or scum.
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TwilightBard: Vote Grynn You don't want to lynch a potential mafia on Day 1 which would be an advantage to the town? And yet you have a vote on Damnation? I've only been half following things as I've been feeling under the weather, but this pings my scumdar something fierce. So you're either scum, or a potential third party who wants a no-lynch? Because at this stage I can't see you as town at all.
I think your scumdar needs recalibrating, because it's showing up on mine!

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nmillar: If Rodzaju isn't mafia, he's still being very unhelpful to town and should be lynched.
Come again?

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Vitek: Itai. I think you should claim. You already was at L-1 so it's not like you were only slightly pushed into L-2.
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nmillar: The fact that he hasn't been quick-lynched speaks volumes really. There are several people who have posted who could have jumped on that. Though, the mafia may be avoiding jumping on it to avoid suspicion.
While I have the benefit of hindsight, I would rather say the sudden pace of the bandwagon speaks volumes.
Hope this doesn't merge. Have been 12 minutes by now- I seem to recall its ten minutes one has to wait.

Just forgot to reply to your question before clicking post:

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NotFrenchYet: In fact, let me ask you straight up: Why do you find me suspect?
I don't really find you that suspicious. Its was mostly the behavior of putting out theories why to target certain people, without really acting much upon it. Since I didn't really see you much in the game neither I figured the vote as a prod. If I still haven't unvoted consider it done, since many of my original suspects have started to make a lot more sense. In this sense meaning: Cruward being replaced, Twilightbard's post and yours as well of course.
Waffle.
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Zchinque: Waffle.
Thanks a lot.

Forgot to do what I said I would in my previous post:

unvote NotFrenchYet
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TwilightBard: Alright, before I go any farther, there are a few things that I think need to be cleared up for how I'm pulling my analysis of this out. I'm gonna underline the questions, just to make things easier.
Okay, I'll have to react to this later today, because it is a pretty bizarre post. Just one quick thing for now, because Zchinque's quoting of nmillar reminded me of it again:
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TwilightBard: I think he [itai] was safe from a quick lynch, to be quite honest.
Of course he was safe from a quick lynch. It was Day One. Only an idiot would quicklynch on day one. It's an endgame move, through and through.
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TwilightBard: I think he [itai] was safe from a quick lynch, to be quite honest.
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bazilisek: Of course he was safe from a quick lynch. It was Day One. Only an idiot would quicklynch on day one. It's an endgame move, through and through.
Absolutely. There's literally nothing to be gained for the mafia by quicklynching anywhere but the end (unless one of their own is also in danger of being lynched).
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bazilisek: Of course he was safe from a quick lynch. It was Day One. Only an idiot would quicklynch on day one. It's an endgame move, through and through.
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SirPrimalform: Absolutely. There's literally nothing to be gained for the mafia by quicklynching anywhere but the end (unless one of their own is also in danger of being lynched).
Making nmillar's comment kind of odd..? Or just ill-thought-through..?

Something which did occur to me is that it would be clever mafia play to stay off the itai wagon, which would trick people into thinking that the reason he wasn't lynched relatively quickly was because he really was mafia... In that case, we might do well to look closer at the folks who stayed out of it / were reluctant to vote. Not sure how feasible that is though, especially considering it was D1 and the mafia hadn't had an opportunity to natter yet.

Merci for the response, Baron.
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bazilisek: Of course he was safe from a quick lynch. It was Day One. Only an idiot would quicklynch on day one. It's an endgame move, through and through.
Except, you're pointing out someone completely different then I was. I only mentioned itai once, when I was mentioning that someone else had mentioned the 'list' idea before Rod did. The person who was seemingly worried about a lynch like that was Rod, which is why he stated he threw the names out.
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TwilightBard: Except, you're pointing out someone completely different then I was. I only mentioned itai once, when I was mentioning that someone else had mentioned the 'list' idea before Rod did. The person who was seemingly worried about a lynch like that was Rod, which is why he stated he threw the names out.
My bad. In my defence, it was in the morning and I hadn't woken up fully yet. The point still stands, though; it was not really aimed at you.

The promised reaction to your post will come later, I have to reread it properly this time.
Right, so about that TB theory on Rodzaju's behaviour which I find too convoluted to be possible -- there's one thing that seems rather obvious to me.
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TwilightBard: The first off is, just how trustworthy is what Rod says?
Very little, in a beautiful illustration why townies really should never lie. We do know, however, that the "list of four people" most definitely was a lie, and from this I infer that so was the claim that of these (non-existent) four, Rodzaju only had my name.

Because let's face it -- a lyncher who doesn't know who his target is? That's nonsensical. Unless he's also a name/role/flavour cop of sorts and his task is to first find out who he is actually looking for through night investigations, and then getting them lynched. All that in the six or so days this game is going to take. While managing to stay alive the whole time. Pretty much an impossible mission, isn't it?*

This, of course, means the entire structure of your theory crumbles. What I think happened is much more straightforward -- Rod was a lyncher with two targets, and his winning condition was to get lynched at least one, but ideally both. That's it. He was just a little too eager to get started, and in his hurry tripped up. I can't bring myself to try and read more into it, because at this point, it definitely is nothing but muddying the waters. This is one question we won't see resolved until after the game is over, so it is completely pointless to keep digging in it. He's dead, his motives will remain a mystery.

There was something more I wanted to say to this, but I got lost in my own argument. Still, I'm thinking this will do.

*The wiki mentions this as a possibility for lynchers, but also says it is frowned upon, for rather obvious reasons.
Ok, some people have mentioned how this is a convoluted plan. It's really not, it's maybe, 2-3 total steps.

Step 1: Get Baz Killed, gain Doctor power.
Step 2: Find and lynch Angelo
Step 2a: If Baz doesn't die, get him lynched instead.
Step 3: Profit

The big problem is, well, no plan survives contact with anything that isn't the planner. Especially people who don't know the plan, like all of us are. It's a fairly basic plan, but his path went all over the place trying to keep up with everything happening.

@Baz, I'm curious as to what you think that Rod DIDN'T lie about. I went with the idea that he lied only about the stuff that could be proven lies, or that don't make sense otherwise.
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TwilightBard: @Baz, I'm curious as to what you think that Rod DIDN'T lie about. I went with the idea that he lied only about the stuff that could be proven lies, or that don't make sense otherwise.
1) Denton Walters is the Doctor, and he doesn't know he's paranoid. I know that to be true.
2) Angelo Cervi is the Cop, and he doesn't know he's insane. I have no reason to doubt that, and it checks out with Rodzaju's lynch flavour.
3) Rodzaju was a Lyncher / Batman. The flavour confirmed that.

Everything else is up in the air. My approach to it is just the opposite: I presume everything he told us is a lie unless proven otherwise. In other words, I don't want to base my theorising on anything Rodzaju gave us, because I have no way of telling if that particular piece of information was the truth or not.
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TwilightBard: @Baz, I'm curious as to what you think that Rod DIDN'T lie about. I went with the idea that he lied only about the stuff that could be proven lies, or that don't make sense otherwise.
Huh? Change of heart from when you hammered him, no? #794, my emphasis:
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TwilightBard: I was waiting for Rodzaju to bring out any extra information that he had available. With him admitting to be a liar, there's no reason to wait because there's no reason to believe that any information he's given is the truth.
Bard, what changed your mind?

@Baz, out of curiosity, why do you believe Angelo is particularly "insane"?
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NotFrenchYet: @Baz, out of curiosity, why do you believe Angelo is particularly "insane"?
Oh, I meant insane as in "not sane", not necessarily Insane -- I should have been clearer about that. The actual insanity is for the cop to figure out; I honestly have no idea. Though a Paranoid Cop would make a nice symmetry with the Paranoid Doc, wouldn't he?
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NotFrenchYet: @Baz, out of curiosity, why do you believe Angelo is particularly "insane"?
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bazilisek: Oh, I meant insane as in "not sane", not necessarily Insane -- I should have been clearer about that. The actual insanity is for the cop to figure out; I honestly have no idea. Though a Paranoid Cop would make a nice symmetry with the Paranoid Doc, wouldn't he?
At least insane would be somewhat helpful once you work it out. Paranoid isn't remotely useful. D;

@French: Hmm, that is quite a u-turn on Bard's part.