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Posted November 22, 2011
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Hahah, I'm getting downrepped... Nice to see the towers are alive and firing.
Posted November 22, 2011
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reaver894: and yes they use cracked exe's
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StingingVelvet: I knew they did before. I am guessing No Regret is a new example?

In any case like I said I think it's tacky. I can't imagine they don't have the know-how to remove DRM from an exe themselves, you would think that would be core to the job they do. It's not OMG TERRIBLE though, really. It's not like "the scene" has copyright on their work.
Well, why waste time re-doing work that is done? If they have the go ahead it makes sense to focus their efforts on Win 7 compatibility issues instead of recreating a crack that already exists.

Also, like you, I thought all long-timers here knew GOG used .exes cracked by the scenes.
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kavazovangel: Okay then, tell me why is it fine for people to post links for Fallout Mod Manager? Because, if you didn't know, it bypasses the GfWL protection of the game.

But GfWL is evil, so bypassing that is okay, right? ;)
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Snickersnack: You're being obtuse. The links posted were to the most famous NOCD site around. I'm playing through FO3 right now and I had no idea that Fallout Mod Manger removed the DRM.

Don't put GOG in a difficult position. Take that stuff to other forums.
GfWL on Fallout 3 is completely optional. I played without it and used nothing but the base installer that came on the retail DVD. So kavazovangel is actually wrong. In the US suing a site inking to sites that explain how to remove DRM has been successful successful in the past and doing it yourself is contravened under the DMCA. I'm not saying it's right or that I like it (it pisses me off), but there's a lot of legal issues surrounding this right now and congress has passed no laws to clear them up (instead they're working on SOPA, and The Senate already passed PIPA, to further fuck us over).
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kavazovangel: snip
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keeveek: First:
cracking groups have no rights to their "work"

Second: actual developers/distributors have. They may use crack teams cracks without even bothering to ask.
This is actually (hilariously) untrue in the US. All source code is copyrighted by default in the US. So if even a trivial amount of code was written to implement the crack that portion of the code is copyrighted by the author of said crack.

However, it would be surprising anyone of said cracks trying to assert their legal rights in this regard (and not even for the irony and hypocrisy involved, but for reasons of incrimination) so one can get away with redistributing them without regard to the crack author's wishes (though many of them could be argued to come with the implicit rights to redistribution).
Post edited November 22, 2011 by orcishgamer
Posted November 23, 2011
there are some forums in which the mere use of the word 'crack' gets a thread locked and/or the user banned. i wish this were one of them...
Posted November 23, 2011
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Fred_DM: there are some forums in which the mere use of the word 'crack' gets a thread locked and/or the user banned. i wish this were one of them...
By that logic, you just got banned.

".. you have to shoot at the crack in the wall to proceed"

would also get you banned.

I'm glad it's not one of those forums :P
Posted November 23, 2011
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Navagon: You might not like the fact that the rights holders determine correct and incorrect usage of their copyrighted material but that's the way it is, and the way it should be.

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kavazovangel: Okay then, tell me why is it fine for people to post links for Fallout Mod Manager? Because, if you didn't know, it bypasses the GfWL protection of the game.

But GfWL is evil, so bypassing that is okay, right? ;)
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Navagon: Or maybe because, you know, you don't actually have to bypass GFWL at all in that game? Or maybe it's because you can bypass all the DRM in the game (GFWL and disc check) simply by using the completely legal and unmodified Fallout3.exe? DRM was never really pushed in that game. I think that GFWL was used only for DLC and achievements.
I think even Bethesda themselves stated that you can launch Fallout 3 via the exe instead of the launcher in order to bypass SecuROM because it was causing problems for some people.
Posted November 23, 2011
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orcishgamer: This is actually (hilariously) untrue in the US. All source code is copyrighted by default in the US. So if even a trivial amount of code was written to implement the crack that portion of the code is copyrighted by the author of said crack.

However, it would be surprising anyone of said cracks trying to assert their legal rights in this regard (and not even for the irony and hypocrisy involved, but for reasons of incrimination) so one can get away with redistributing them without regard to the crack author's wishes (though many of them could be argued to come with the implicit rights to redistribution).
Well, I don't know how it's done in US but in EU you cannot legally protect actions/work which is not legal in the first place. For example, if someone's work is just slightly modified plagiarism, "author" has no copyright to it.

It doesn't matter they had to write something on their own. If they didn't have any legal rights to do that, court would never sentence in favor.
Post edited November 23, 2011 by keeveek
Posted November 23, 2011
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Fred_DM: there are some forums in which the mere use of the word 'crack' gets a thread locked and/or the user banned. i wish this were one of them...
Get over it already, the legitimacy of the word "crack" is only heresy insomuch as it is defined by the rights' holder and legal system, not an extremity in absolute terms like murder and rape. It's as if the mere mention of the word is moral blasphemy to you.

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Namur: No one questioned your legitimacy in regards to you wanting to 'fix' your legitimate game and i know there wasn't any mean-spiritdness juju in that post, i know that's not where you come from. Getting into it here, as you did, was nevertheless a poor judgement call for very, very obvious reasons, sorry bro.
That's fine and I concede to the previous thread being of poor judgment. Two things to mention were that I brought up the mention of certain sites (though I didn't provide links to them) and the discussion of where to acquire them - all of which I thought were fine given that GOG uses them in some games, but arguably not, since there are nuances in the two cases that may lead to adverse results.
Post edited November 23, 2011 by lowyhong
Posted November 23, 2011
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wormholewizards: I already emailed GOG team asked them to fix POD glide2x.dll because it has minor graphical glitch. But they stated that they couldn't do anything because of legal issue, that's all. I nearly went ballistic, but then i realized this legal issue is quite complicated. So yeah, maybe they didn't have source code access for certain titles.
We don't have source code access for *any* titles.
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hedwards: That's a possible issue, but the big issue is that it makes it harder to go to publishers and ask for a license to sell the games DRM free if there are threads on the site devoted to piracy.
This is one of the reasons I asked Galimatias to lock the thread, yes. We keep a light hand on moderation here--which works better on this forum than pretty much any other forum anywhere I can think of--but linking to sites that provide tools to do things which are illegal in America (read up on the DMCA, if you don't know what I'm talking about) is likely not going to make any American partners happy.
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kavazovangel: Pretty 'cool' move, Galimatias. You guys use cracks, sometimes don't even bother to remove the actual group name from the exes (spare me the 'oh, but the publisher allowed us' crap, if you really want to you could have removed those lines and at least go unnoticed, but when we start talking about solving some valid issues with them, you lock the thread.
I'd say as far as moderation goes, locking a thread is a pretty minor thing to do. There's no negative effects to if for any of you involved; we're just asking you nicely to take that discussion to another arena. We didn't even remove the thread, so any helpful information that you guys traded is still visible for your later use.

Sorry if you don't agree.
Post edited November 23, 2011 by TheEnigmaticT
Posted November 23, 2011
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kavazovangel: snip
I understand your frustration. I was reading the thread, as well, and was kind of taken aback by the thread lock. But you have to try to understand the company as well. We all know that they're against DRM. We know that they know that we know that they use cracks in some of their games. So why would they lock the thread? As others mentioned, it probably has much to do with the legal issues surrounding cracks. Yes, the legality of those cracks can be debated, but by locking the thread, GOG is able to avoid any risks they take on by leaving everything to go on as is, including such things as negligence, promoting illegal activity, and whatnot (as I said, it's debatable but the risks exist nonetheless).

Edit: Oops, too late.
Post edited November 23, 2011 by grape1829
Posted November 23, 2011
Despite what the DMCA says, using a crack is not necessarily illegal in America as suggested by this court ruling:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/23/29099.htm

"Merely bypassing a technological protection that restricts a user from viewing or using a work is insufficient to trigger the (Digital Millennium Copyright Act's) anti-circumvention provision," Judge Garza wrote for the New Orleans-based court.
Posted November 23, 2011
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TheEnigmaticT: linking to sites that provide tools to do things which are illegal in America (read up on the DMCA, if you don't know what I'm talking about) is likely not going to make any American partners happy.
Terminate affiliate accounts associated with abandonware sites; then I will take that justification seriously.
Posted November 23, 2011
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TheEnigmaticT: linking to sites that provide tools to do things which are illegal in America (read up on the DMCA, if you don't know what I'm talking about) is likely not going to make any American partners happy.
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Darling_Jimmy: Terminate affiliate accounts associated with abandonware sites; then I will take that justification seriously.
why should they terminate anyone? they did not terminate the guy who said he pirates games right?
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srncarl: Despite what the DMCA says, using a crack is not necessarily illegal in America as suggested by this court ruling:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/23/29099.htm

"Merely bypassing a technological protection that restricts a user from viewing or using a work is insufficient to trigger the (Digital Millennium Copyright Act's) anti-circumvention provision," Judge Garza wrote for the New Orleans-based court.
that's only when you actually can't use the program you paid for at all. even ubi's constant net connection drm is not sufficient to trigger this clause.
Post edited November 23, 2011 by lukaszthegreat
Posted November 23, 2011
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lukaszthegreat: why should they terminate anyone? they did not terminate the guy who said he pirates games right?
Who's that?
Posted November 23, 2011
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lukaszthegreat: why should they terminate anyone? they did not terminate the guy who said he pirates games right?
Because GOG is making money from piracy. Aren't their partners concerned about those shady dealings?
Posted November 23, 2011
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Darling_Jimmy: Because GOG is making money from piracy. Aren't their partners concerned about those shady dealings?
We don't make any money from piracy, no. We do, however, find that a number of people who used to pirate games find GOG.com an alternative to torrenting games or downloading them from abandonware websites.
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