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Posted June 13, 2011
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Sogi-Ya: Disney has been the driving force behind all this "oh my fuccking god, it's in 3D!!!!!" shit, so I am not at all surprised.

probably the only reason they remade Lionking in 3D vs Snow White is due to them having better access to Lionking's production material.

besides, fuck Simba! I wanna see a celebrity deathmatch where Kimba beats his ass and pees in his face.
Kimba? You mean that chinese lion king rip off aren't you?
that would be hilarious indeed

Don't like it? don't watch it.

i am not going to therefore whatever they are doing does not bother me.
Posted June 13, 2011
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Tulivu: This drive for a greater visual experience will be the end of them. Once 4D technology is acheived everyone one will be "blown away" by how cool it looks before being driven insane by the vast cosmic terror that awaits beyond perceived reality.
It already was achieved, I bet Lion King was played more than once on any theatre's timeline!
Posted June 13, 2011
I'm amazed at how few people realise what Disney really is. Suffice to say that nothing could ruin them.
Posted June 13, 2011
Kimba is the Japanese "version" that was created by THE Osamu Tezuka and predates the Lionking by fifty years!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion
Posted June 13, 2011
Didn't Disney die when it started exploiting child stars?
Posted June 13, 2011
I don't think this is George Lucas' fault -- Considering Disney already reissued The Nightmare Before Christmas in 3D a few years ago, even if on limited release. Its not the first time they do it.
Posted June 13, 2011
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Rohan15: Didn't Disney die when it started exploiting child stars?
are we talking Spiritual or Physical death?
Posted June 13, 2011
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nondeplumage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GBiqw2tE8M

The Lion King. In 3D. In theaters. In September. God. Dammit.
You don't think Disney ruined the Lion king all by themselves when they blatantly plagiarized Osamu Tezuka's Kimba The White Lion?

Not satisfied with the brutal and incessant rape of our culture, history, and childhoods, Disney turned its eye on copyrighted material and outright stole much of The Lion King from Tezuka's seminal classic, and even touted their bastardized creation as Disney's "first completely original story."

After critics began to attack the obviously lifted film, Disney claimed similarities were coincidental and that the Lion Kind was "inspired" by Hamlet (begging the question, why then claim it to be "completely" original when it so obviously is not?)

Disney has done more to destroy artistic freedom with its legacy of abusing copyright through cutthroat political lobbying and malicious lawsuits than any other entity I can think of, and yet are far more guilty of artistic bankruptcy and outright cultural piracy than anyone they've ever sued...
Post edited June 13, 2011 by HoneyBakedHam
Posted June 13, 2011
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hedwards: I rather liked watching that last one.
Me too. But it's a completely different stuff compared to the old Indy movies (surviving a nuclear blast inside a freezer? Too much, even for a badass like the classic Indy...)....
Post edited June 13, 2011 by KingofGnG
Posted June 13, 2011
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nondeplumage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GBiqw2tE8M

The Lion King. In 3D. In theaters. In September. God. Dammit.
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HoneyBakedHam: You don't think Disney ruined the Lion king all by themselves when they blatantly plagiarized Osamu Tezuka's Kimba The White Lion?

Not satisfied with the brutal and incessant rape of our culture, history, and childhoods, Disney turned its eye on copyrighted material and outright stole much of The Lion King from Tezuka's seminal classic, and even touted their bastardized creation as Disney's "first completely original story."
Have you even seen "Kimba, the White Lion"? "Seminal classic", my arse. It was a minor cartoon that went nowhere, because it lacked most of the facets of cartoon art.

You might exactly as well say Shakespeare was guilty of brutal and incessant rape of Danish culture for plagiarizing the "Historia Danicae" when he wrote "Hamlet".

Disney is prone to grabbing somebody else's idea and claiming it as their own, as does every studio. But committing cultural rape by stealing a seminal work of art? Baloney.
Posted June 13, 2011
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HoneyBakedHam: You don't think Disney ruined the Lion king all by themselves when they blatantly plagiarized Osamu Tezuka's Kimba The White Lion?

Not satisfied with the brutal and incessant rape of our culture, history, and childhoods, Disney turned its eye on copyrighted material and outright stole much of The Lion King from Tezuka's seminal classic, and even touted their bastardized creation as Disney's "first completely original story."
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cjrgreen: Have you even seen "Kimba, the White Lion"? "Seminal classic", my arse. It was a minor cartoon that went nowhere, because it lacked most of the facets of cartoon art.

You might exactly as well say Shakespeare was guilty of brutal and incessant rape of Danish culture for plagiarizing the "Historia Danicae" when he wrote "Hamlet".

Disney is prone to grabbing somebody else's idea and claiming it as their own, as does every studio. But committing cultural rape by stealing a seminal work of art? Baloney.
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
http://www.kimbawlion.com/transcript.htm

If Kimba is such shit then why did Disney plagiarize it? additionally, Tezuka is like the Japanese version of Walt Disney, I wonder what your thoughts would be if japan made "Rickey mouse"?

(BTW I love this argument, every single time someone shows up to try to defend the Lion king, only to end up flat on their asses because there is not way to defend it as an original work.)
Post edited June 13, 2011 by Sogi-Ya
Posted June 13, 2011
I'm not defending it as an original work. It's even more a reworking of Hamlet.

But I cannot abide the hyperbolic contention that Disney committed any kind of infamous crime or that "Kimba, the White Lion" is a work of any artistic standing.
Posted June 13, 2011
spoken like an absolute fool, plagiarism is THE cardinal sin of an artist.
Posted June 13, 2011
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hedwards: I rather liked watching that last one.
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KingofGnG: Me too. But it's a completely different stuff compared to the old Indy movies (surviving a nuclear blast inside a freezer? Too much, even for a badass like the classic Indy...)....
That's a tough call, but at least they left the Germans alone for once. It was getting kind of old always going up against Nazis.
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Sogi-Ya: spoken like an absolute fool, plagiarism is THE cardinal sin of an artist.
That's definitely not true. It's become somewhat of a taboo in recent years to plagiarize, but up until the 18th century there wasn't anything wrong with it. Just look at all the plagiarists, from MLK to Twain to Virgil to Shakespeare, sometimes it was unintentional, but a lot of those guys didn't even have the concept of ownership of ideas.

More recently, Warhol said something to the effect that good artists borrow, great artists steal.

I don't personally buy into it to that extent, but the whole notion of paying for art is completely ass backwards in my view.
Post edited June 13, 2011 by hedwards
Posted June 13, 2011
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Rohan15: Didn't Disney die when it started exploiting child stars?
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Sogi-Ya: are we talking Spiritual or Physical death?
Whichever you want.
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