Posted June 09, 2011
lukipela
Chaotic Neutral
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Elenarie
@tweetelenarie
Registered: Sep 2008
From Sweden
Magnitus
Born Idealist
Registered: Mar 2011
From Canada
Posted June 09, 2011
nice we in the western culture try to protect us from madness like unlimited gene engineering and both india and china, together half of earth's population do not care about limitations.
Western powers f*cked it up, when they came in with their superior military and dictated to China what's what (including forcing them to trade opium which was up to that point forbidden in China).
China "adapted" by learning from the European powers (including Russian Communism).
Please, look at your history before you try putting your culture on a pedestal.
I'll give something to China: They managed to put a lid on their population problem. You might not agree with the method, but it's quite a feat regardless. Western nations have yet to achieve such control over an aspect of their society that is so vital to their own prosperity.
PS: Do you know where the latest state of the art solar power technology can be found? Yeah, you got that right, it can be found in China. So much for the West fostering the most responsible technological development.
Post edited June 09, 2011 by Magnitus
Jekadu
Not a lake
Registered: Jun 2009
From Sweden
Posted June 09, 2011
I poked my friend and he sent me this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/28/science/28crop.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
Also, he reminded me that one of the most common types of grapefruit was created by radiation bombardment.
Unfortunately I can't find anything on costs, although obviously the process is safe. (But presumably the results can be unpredictable and difficult to track).
Make of it what you will.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/28/science/28crop.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
Also, he reminded me that one of the most common types of grapefruit was created by radiation bombardment.
Unfortunately I can't find anything on costs, although obviously the process is safe. (But presumably the results can be unpredictable and difficult to track).
Make of it what you will.
JudasIscariot
Thievin' Bastard
Registered: Oct 2008
From Poland
Posted June 09, 2011
So are the cows of the two-legged variety just not producing enough milk? Give a fat woman a jerb, end the crisis!
Aningan
YNWA
Registered: Dec 2010
From Western Sahara
Taleroth
Sapient Software
Registered: May 2011
From United States
Posted June 09, 2011
Wait, is it the modified embryos that become cows that produce the milk?
Because the summary in the OP makes it sound like the surrogates are producing this milk. As in the surrogates aren't themselves modified, but somehow producing different milk in accordance with the embryos modification.
Because the summary in the OP makes it sound like the surrogates are producing this milk. As in the surrogates aren't themselves modified, but somehow producing different milk in accordance with the embryos modification.
nondeplumage
32 Bit World
Registered: Sep 2010
From United States
cjrgreen
New User
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted June 09, 2011
One wonders why this research was done in China, though. The Chinese aren't big consumers of dairy products, because most ethnic Chinese (something like 95%) are lactose intolerant.
Was this maybe done in an effort to recover the export market for baby formula, after it was wrecked by the notorious cases of deliberate adulteration with melamine?
Magnitus
Born Idealist
Registered: Mar 2011
From Canada
Posted June 09, 2011
They would often appease their more warlike neighbors with trade if they behaved.
Post edited June 09, 2011 by Magnitus
Aaron86
Adam We
Registered: May 2010
From Canada
Posted June 09, 2011
Isn't genetic engineering supposed to do stuff like cure diseases? This is pretty gratuitous and/or trollish.
dada_dave
Once New User
Registered: Oct 2010
From United States
Posted June 09, 2011
Here are the PLoS One links 2.
Essentially how this type of genetic engineering works is that you take the human gene, combine it with a promoter (something to control the gene), and finally use one of several methods to transfer the human gene into the host genome hoping that you don't disrupt something important. The host genome then expresses the human gene. In this case they took the human gene to create lysozyme, combined it with a cow promoter, and transferred it into the cow embryo genome. In the paper: out 312 transgenic blastocysts, only 17 grew up to be healthy cows of which 4 lactated normally with cow milk that contained a human protein at higher concentrations typically found by the cow analog in pure cow's milk (so it's still mostly cow milk).
Essentially how this type of genetic engineering works is that you take the human gene, combine it with a promoter (something to control the gene), and finally use one of several methods to transfer the human gene into the host genome hoping that you don't disrupt something important. The host genome then expresses the human gene. In this case they took the human gene to create lysozyme, combined it with a cow promoter, and transferred it into the cow embryo genome. In the paper: out 312 transgenic blastocysts, only 17 grew up to be healthy cows of which 4 lactated normally with cow milk that contained a human protein at higher concentrations typically found by the cow analog in pure cow's milk (so it's still mostly cow milk).
torqual76
stranded marine
Registered: Jun 2010
From Germany
Posted June 14, 2011
Western powers f*cked it up, when they came in with their superior military and dictated to China what's what (including forcing them to trade opium which was up to that point forbidden in China).
China "adapted" by learning from the European powers (including Russian Communism).
Please, look at your history before you try putting your culture on a pedestal.
I'll give something to China: They managed to put a lid on their population problem. You might not agree with the method, but it's quite a feat regardless. Western nations have yet to achieve such control over an aspect of their society that is so vital to their own prosperity.
PS: Do you know where the latest state of the art solar power technology can be found? Yeah, you got that right, it can be found in China. So much for the West fostering the most responsible technological development.
And rules and limitations are important for stressfree living. No limitation to gene engineering is insane, because you can not know what will come out of this box of pandora.
Western powers have done what every power would do when its potent enough. They just forced their will on weaker nations in the world. Like little children fighting for a playtool.
They control their population by famine, execution of unwanted people, 1-child-per-family policy, they execute mostly young people for organ-trading, their working conditions are abysmal, they have no pollution control. The living conditions of the lower classes are very bad. They have the worlds biggest standing army and police force. That is really something to be proud of. What a wonderful Orwellian state to live in.
To your P.S. Do you know where this fancy solar technology was developed originally. Naturally in western industrial nations.
But chinese science has a huge manpower base to rely on. I do not think that chinese scientists are worse then their western counterparts. In fact they are even better and work harder then we do. E.G. They invented paper and gunpowder long before Europe. So its only fair that China adapts some technology from us in return.
But that has nothing to do with human rights situation in China.
Please do not force your opinion on people who you do not know. It is so very troglodytical. Like my bad english grammer HAR.
Have a nice day.
Post edited June 14, 2011 by torqual76
BlazeKING
New User
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted June 14, 2011
The govt says raw milk is unfit for human consumption..even when evidence shows raw milk has been consumed since the agricultural revolution
So they'll have to nuke the milk for babies which basically makes it worthless for babies.
So they'll have to nuke the milk for babies which basically makes it worthless for babies.
cjrgreen
New User
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted June 14, 2011
So they'll have to nuke the milk for babies which basically makes it worthless for babies.
Industrially produced raw milk is so often contaminated with Listeria and other pathogens that no insurer will insure a dairy that produces it.
Cow's milk is an unsuitable food for babies in any case, whether or not it has been pasteurized. The addition of a few enzymes via genetic engineering does not change that.
Post edited June 14, 2011 by cjrgreen