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Anyone watch the first US presidential debate tonight? What did you think? I've been a political junky for well over a decade now and I have never seen such a one-sided presidential show down. I'm curious to know how others reacted.
Nope, was playing video games. I decided a while back I wasn't voting for either of those two candidates, anyway.
Let me put it this way, I feel like Stan in that south park episode where he has to vote between a douche and a turd. I really don't see how either candidate is better than the other. All Obama did was continue Bush's policy and Romney scares me. That is all I'll say on this /leavesthread
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EC-: Nope, was playing video games. I decided a while back I wasn't voting for either of those two candidates, anyway.
I found something better to do with my time as well.

I don't know what the OP means by one sided, but since Romney generally comes off as the reanimated dead I'll assume he choked.
Post edited October 04, 2012 by orcishgamer
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EC-: Nope, was playing video games. I decided a while back I wasn't voting for either of those two candidates, anyway.
I knew a guy who voted Daffy Duck in every category in all federal, state, and local elections. And had done so every year for like two decades. It was pretty hardcore.
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EC-: Nope, was playing video games. I decided a while back I wasn't voting for either of those two candidates, anyway.
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orcishgamer: I found something better to do with my time as well.

I don't know what the OP means by one sided, but since Romney generally comes off as the reanimated dead I'll assume he choked.
Romney actually surprised me. He was kicking butt and taking names. I personally can't stand either of them and maybe I had super low expectations of him, but he blew my expectations out of the water. He did really well. Still don't like him though.
Presidential debates don't normally make any difference except for the candidates' behavior in driving their base. Romney's energy has excited the R voters and Obama not seeming to care has depressed the D voters.

But this election has already been over. No Democrat president in the U.S. has ever won re-election since FDR except Clinton... and he didn't even hit 50% of the vote. Obama has never been re-elected to any office except as a state senator (which isn't competitive). I see Romney currently campaigning in states he shouldn't be in like Pennsylvania (which went 48% for Bush in 2004) which is hinting at the internal polling numbers.

Romney's confidence and Obama's lack of energy might also be indicative of the internal polling both campaigns have.
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Jorean: Romney actually surprised me. He was kicking butt and taking names. I personally can't stand either of them and maybe I had super low expectations of him, but he blew my expectations out of the water. He did really well. Still don't like him though.
I wasn't at all suprised but I know I'm in the minority. I'm glad that a lot of people will get to see the "real" Mitt Romney. So much nonsense has been propogated up to now that I don't think people had the slightest clue what Romney is really about.
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Liberty: Romney's confidence and Obama's lack of energy might also be indicative of the internal polling both campaigns have.
Interesting point. I teach MBA courses and - specifically - stats for business on occasion and my class had a similar discussion last night. I've noticed that the polls seem to favor Romney big time despite the spin for Obama surrounding them. In particular, Romney is always leading independents, middle class voters, and consistently on top on the issue of the economy. Under no circumstances can that possibly translate to an Obama win.
Post edited October 04, 2012 by tangledblue11
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Liberty: Romney's confidence and Obama's lack of energy might also be indicative of the internal polling both campaigns have.
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tangledblue11: Interesting point. I teach MBA courses and - specifically - stats for business on occasion and my class had a similar discussion last night. I've noticed that the polls seem to favor Romney big time despite the spin for Obama surrounding them. In particular, Romney is always leading independents, middle class voters, and consistently on top on the issue of the economy. Under no circumstances can that possibly translate to an Obama win.
Obama seems to be modelling his campaign after FDR's 1936 campaign (where FDR won almost every state in the country). In 1940 and 1944, the elections were dominated more by World War 2. So, aside from FDR's landslide victory, what else is unique about 1936?

In every presidential election, the incumbent president gets thrown out if there is a bad economy. It has been a trend that has gone on for hundreds of years. During the Long Depression, both political parties kept being thrown out each election cycle since the economy stayed bad.

1936 is a unique exception. Despite the Great Depression, FDR won re-election in a landslide. FDR campaigned against Wall Street, against Hoover, against the banks, and soon. Obama seemed to channel similar statements.

I decided to look it up and found something interesting. FDR's opponent, Landen, campaigned on the same exact terms that FDR did. The Democratic Party actually complained Landen was stealing their campaign which he replied, "Why not?" The only differentiating element was Landen saying FDR was abusive and reckless to the government. Landen also gave no plan to recover the economy. So it seems like the anomaly of the 1936 election has more to do with Landen than with FDR.

Those polls you see are trash. There is no money spent on them and are lazily done (usually polling inner cities since they are easiest to reach). The internal polls are more interesting since they manage the millions of dollars of campaign money and the candidates' precious time. The public polls are only slapped on a newspaper and then forgotten. They tend to poll adults or voters but rarely likely voters.

I do think the internal polling may be why Romney seems energized and Obama deflated. Back in 2008, remember that Obama took a plane ride to Hawaii at the end of the campaign. He had the internal numbers that he would win. And McCain, just as bizarrely, suspended his campaign. He knew he would lose.

There are already 2012 votes available. We can compare early voting in Ohio in 2012 compared to 2008. The Rs are way up. The Ds are way down in absentees. This is not for just one county but all of them. In 2008, the Ds were outperforming at this time. If this holds up, Ohio could go to Romney by four to five points. Romney, himself, stated recently, "I will win Ohio" as if it is already done. Lately, I've seen Romney in PA. During the debate, he made a comment like "I love coal" which indicates he is targeting PA. I think the Romney Campaign has even flirted with getting Oregon as Ryan was there recently (there is a large libertarian population in the state). Although, I think they're more targeting PA.
Media in Poland say that Obama without a teleprompter was like a child in the woods and lost the debate like a junior.

And no, polish media are not conservative so this statement is a big surprise to me too.

CNN instant poll says that 2/3 of the viewers say Romney won decisevely.
Post edited October 04, 2012 by keeveek
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tangledblue11: Interesting point. I teach MBA courses and - specifically - stats for business on occasion and my class had a similar discussion last night. I've noticed that the polls seem to favor Romney big time despite the spin for Obama surrounding them. In particular, Romney is always leading independents, middle class voters, and consistently on top on the issue of the economy. Under no circumstances can that possibly translate to an Obama win.
Spin? You mean where he points out that the economy has been growing for the last 3 years and where there have been more new jobs created in the US than during the entire Bush administration?

Anybody with any understanding of economics knows that supply side economics is DOA. It put us in the mess we are financially with the magical thinking that if you lower taxes you end up with more tax revenue. That only works in certain circumstances where you've put ridiculously high tax rates on the upper class.

Romney has yet to actually provide us with any reason to vote for his policies. They're more of the same, whereas Obama at bare minimum has given us the Affordable Care Act which will help the 20% or so of our GDP which is presently going to pay for health care costs to a minimum in the future.

The only reason why Romney is still in the running at all is racists and people that hate the government.
are financially with the magical thinking that if you lower taxes you end up with more tax revenue.
Magical thinking? :D It's basic 2+2. And Sweden did that recently and guess what? Tax revenue has grown significantly. Lowering the taxes ALWAYS stimulates the economy, because more people can afford to buy more things and more people can afford to start a business entity. I don't know how anybody sane could say it's magical thinking, and not basic logic.
Polish treasury rised the VAT tax on everything and they were surprised that tax revenue was lower than a year before :D

Laffer curve is basic and it always work. When you rise the taxes too much, you will see reduced revenue. If it worked differently, why not to raise taxes to 100% ? it would mean 100% more revenue! No? Well...

But I'm seeing that socialists tend to think that everything about economy is relative.
Post edited October 04, 2012 by keeveek
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Liberty: There are already 2012 votes available. We can compare early voting in Ohio in 2012 compared to 2008. The Rs are way up. The Ds are way down in absentees. This is not for just one county but all of them.
Can you post a link please?
Who won? Obamney or Obamney?
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mondo84: Who won? Obamney or Obamney?
CNN instant poll says that 2/3 of the viewers say Romney won decisevely.