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Lifthrasil: Joe? Why did you push for a claim?
it is The Done Thing.

Usually when someone is about to be lynched they give out their role - it would be revealed in the lynch scene anyway - and then the decision can be made to carry out the lynch or not.
It may save a doctor or a coptor or a useful-blocktor from the rope. Or it may not.

Probably that is how Zchinque taught us to play.

I should have explained all that earlier and you were right to question me about it. Please excuse me!
Still alive, and working on a post that might be worthy of me and Red Baron going after each other with dueling Text Walls.
Alright, I have issues figuring out a starting point for this, so I've decided to go back and look at the things that I saw were odd for Day 2. Some of these aren't going to be in perfect order, because of references, without a specific target in mind. I'm not really focusing on one thing or another, but just major things that stand out.

Beware: Wall of MFing Text (I swear, I'm not Red Baron with another name).

Well, the first thing talked about ended up being the lack of alignment and roles for p1na's NK. I'm not really sure if it got us anywhere, but the back and forth was kinda interesting, and it was curious to see who was willing to muddy the waters by talking about various roles.

This leads us to Joe's 'Warmup game' and his first comment about pazzer/Quad. I'll be jumping back to this, it seemed to happen pretty often. The warmup aside, the answers were almost, stock. I don't think anyone was going to admit to being interested in killing P1na (Granted, that's also probably WHY he was chosen).

Twister came out with an interesting post. He didn't actually suspect N0x0ss, but instead just didn't want a nolynch. The responce bothers me, because it comes across as 'I don't care, as long as there's a lynch' mentality that comes across more scumish then anything else.

Rob's 451 was a very nice and fairly informative look at the lynchwagon, and Twister's position on the lynch stands out, but I'll get back to this.

Lift and JMich have a quick back and forth about how the mafia decides who to kill, leading to this quote:
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Lifthrasil: Turns out I'm not that good at convincing people.
This was jumped on, and off, pretty quickly by Joe, who voted, then wrote out a possible explination (Which Lift agreed with) for the quote before unvoting Lift, writing a bit more about the quote as a back and forth between himself and himself, then prodding Quad to see what he had to say.

Quad jumped in, played Joe's warmup, and didn't really write anything that spoke out. It was a post that basically called out Twister with infrequent posts and a lack of content, and that he'd check back at the previous day and posts, and admitting that p1na would have been his second choice.

I could have quoted Flubb on 465 for what I was tempted to write in that last paragraph...

We then had a decently constructed case against Quad (except for the vote number three part, it wasn't bad actually) by Flubb, which was also the first vote of the day (Yes, imagine that).

Quad tried to defend himself as he and Flubb were also explaining a few ideas to people (I'm trying to make some of this brief ok?)

Then Twister came and voted for Lift, stating that he felt that the experienced players were his new target the way he was talking about them, and that he kept switching. I'll be honest, this might be more from Day 1, but it's odd that he waited to do so. I'd have killed here for a bit more details, post numbers, quotes, something to be able to look into this one deeper.

Lift puts a vote on Twister, followed quickly by Rob, expressing that Twister had used a thin reason for voting for Lift, and that it was looking suspicious.

Twister then makes a post that, looking back, I'm kind of interested in.

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TwisterBE: I don't think new pieces of data appear. I think you make them appear and throw them in the group, hoping someone else is picking up on it.

I'm not fixated on you, but right now I have no reason to vote on someone else.
Now, speaking as the ever loving Bard, new pieces of information tend to be uncovered and they do appear as deductions are made, cases are crafted, and defenses parrying those cases are used.

As for the fixated line, I'm going to refer to a later post, led by a question I asked about if Twister suspects anyone else.
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TwisterBE: I'm keeping my eye on everyone of course :')
Yeaaahhhhhh, I'm going to be frank here, but I'm calling a degree of BS on the 'Not fixated'. By this point, most of us had others that we were suspicious of. It does come across as a fixation for getting Lift lynched, which strikes me as, quite odd.

Joe voting for Quad...actually, I'll come back to this, I need to hit a later responce first.

I'm interested in Quad coming up with a link to a role that 'cleaned' the information from an NK. That's actually something quite interesting. Normally in 3rd party situations I'd say that we should look a bit closer, but I'm not sure what we should be doing in this regard. I'm kinda suspicious here though, I wouldn't have even known to look to look for it (and it's not on the main list either).

SPF voting for Quad after some light re-reading, stating that he agrees with Flubb's reasoning.

CSPVG gave us a very nice and detailed list about his Top Four Scummiest. I like this, I will be coming back to it and quoting a whole section too!

A bit more talk about the LAL discussion from Day 1, referencing the previous game.

Gonna sidestep Joe again...I'll try to make this worth it.

Some more discussion on p1na...a bit odd doing it at that stage though.

Quad made a comment on him not putting out his top 4 scummiest...quick scanthrough shows that he has YET to follow through on that too.

There was a bit of discussion about p1na's death, as a way of trying to get an idea of how the mafia might be comprised, veteran players, newbies, who might dominate it.

Twilight was then stupid enough to not read, I dropped the ball and then tried to field goal kick (American Football), the fucker out of stupidity when I saw JMich's post about noting a possible power role, as I thought he was talking about some other piece of information. I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

Then we sorta meandered about, and then Twister made his edit, which has been jumped on, repeatedly.

(Breaking this up into two parts...no clue why it's not posting otherwise)
And none of you are on to make this wait shorter huh? HOLY WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!

Ok, I promised a few things when it came to Joe through this post. I'm going to try to piece this together in a satisfactory way. (Try being the key term).

I keep coming back to Joe, however I turn this little puzzle over and looking at it. He seems to want Quad lynched, badly. Why? Well, that's where I'm having problems. As far as I'm reading, it seems like he's trying to lynch Quad because of Pazzer's nolynch from early day 1.

Alright, let's get these quotes on this page and I'll work from there.


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JoeSapphire: But it's time to vote and I've been wanting to do this - flubbucket's reasoning is good enough for me. We should have lynched pazzer.
Vote QuadrAlien
On it's own, this isn't really a bad thing. I mean, at this point it looks like he agrees with what Flubb said, and as I said earlier, it's not a bad case for the point in time that it was made. But we run into a few issues here.

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JoeSapphire: I can't really remember what was said now but I just want to point out that I didn't say that I AGREED with what flubb said about Quadr, but that it was enough reason for me to vote - meaning that I didn't particularly need a reason to vote because I already had one - Pazzer was bad, contradicty and weirdvotey. Quad redeeming a little recently but started off passive and not adding much.
I would have loved an example or two of Pazzer's weirdvoteyness, but without one it comes as if the nolynch was the main thing (Or maybe I need to reread, but who knows). But at the same time, if there wasn't a reason beyond what he had, why didn't he vote sooner? Why wait? A vote is wonderful pressure when you want someone to stop lurking.

Possible reason? Because most people would have focused on reasoning, and a case, and Flubb provided that, and did the work.

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JoeSapphire: Twiglet - it's my own fault but when I say "I've been wanting to do this and flub's reason is good enough for me," I mean that I've been trying to find an excuse to pick up my vote back on quad and flubbucket's argument and voting of quad was enough for me to vote. It didn't really matter what they actually WERE, and I'm not sure I even really knew when I posted. It was a sort of joke but I forget that people don't know what I'm thinking when I say or write things and it's my own fault really.

So my reason for voting quad? Well it's the same as I have already explained. Pazzer's going back on his own self to try and justify voting nolynch and get day one out of the way. QuadrAlien's 'misty' quality. I thought Quad had been getting more involved recently but looking over these last 35 posts it's not so good.
Not totally sure what I'm making of this, a lot of the first paragraph does make it look like he was waiting for someone ELSE to make the first move. Giving him a place to vote, a way to add without having too much of the spotlight. If he used the second paragraph in the first 20 or so posts of the second day, I don't even think it would have gotten much suspicion, but he waited a while before giving much out.

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JoeSapphire: Why does it matter? Quad hasn't done anything that I remember.
That's a direct challenge on your honour QuadrAlien and I expect you to step up to it.
This was an answer to a question I asked about what Quad has done to be so suspect. So far, his reasoning was based on a person who didn't even stay fully in Day 1, and I wanted to try to get a bit more information on what Quad has done. And while I'm not going to even suggest that Quad isn't suspect (He's been very quiet, and writing fluffy things), it strikes me as odd that he hasn't done anything for Joe to jump on.

Where does this leave me, leave us at this point in time? Hell if I know. Part of me feels like I'm looking at an attempted bus, that both Quad AND Joe are mafia, and Joe's trying to appear as if he's scum hunting. And, this could very well be the case as we see.

As far as Quad goes...I don't have an opinion on him. He dodges, he ignores things that might put him in a compromising position, it feels hard to get an aim on him. Although I'm sure that for most of you that's pot calling the kettle black in my case.

Twister seems to currently be the lynchwagon for this day, and I'm fairly certain that we've hit Mafia. Hopefully the wagon and those who aren't on it will give us a chance to find the rest of the Mafia quickly.

Ok, if I don't end this, I'm going to ramble, thanks for reading this far, since I'm sure most of you have glassed over eyes from the sure wall on the page :P.
Two interesting wall of texts from TwilightBard, and an impending deadline. I'm not sure I want to vote for TwisterBE, but I don't see any other viable lynch candidate. And I don't want a nolynch, especially since we do have the chance of not getting any info from the nightkill (again).

Will think it over a bit more and post again later today.
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TwilightBard: I'm interested in Quad coming up with a link to a role that 'cleaned' the information from an NK. That's actually something quite interesting. Normally in 3rd party situations I'd say that we should look a bit closer, but I'm not sure what we should be doing in this regard. I'm kinda suspicious here though, I wouldn't have even known to look to look for it (and it's not on the main list either).
I'd recalled glancing at it after researching an ability in Game #6 - one of the possible (and given Game #6, more normal) uses of the Coroner is to allow details of Janitor kills to be revealed.

On an entirely speculative note - if none of the aliens from Game #6 turn up as characters here I am going to be very disappointed. :)

I'll try and get at least one more post in before the end of the day - alas, my post count, while an improvement over my last couple of games, is still tragically lacking, and I know perfectly well I haven't come up with that list of 4 yet. :(
Thank you TwilightBard.

B- on your homework paper (deduction for tardiness).

Your points regarding DitherproofJoe, TwisterBE, and RedBaron are worthy of me donning on my ponder pants.
Totally off-topic folks - you might want to check the Mafia Admin forum....
@TwilightBard: thanks for your extensive analysis. Very interesting read. I also am quite confident that we probably have found a mafia with Twister and I also suspect Quad. You also raised some interesting points about Joe. I'm not sure if Joe is mafia, but I'm not sure he isn't either. But in any case you've delivered something to think about.


@All: deadline is approaching. I think it's time for those who still are not voting to make up their minds if they want to vote and for whom. And if somebody does NOT want to vote but sticks to novote, please give a reason for doing so. There may perhaps be valid reasons for withholding a vote, but no-voting without a very good reason to do so in face of a deadline would look quite scummy to me.
Reluctant to do it, but unsure if I'll be able to be online closer to the deadline. So, in the interest of avoiding a no-lynch:

Vote TwisterBE. That's L-1 if I'm not mistaken.
I was reluctant to be the first person of day two to vote.
I wasn't waiting for somebody to vote for quadralien, I was waiting for somebody to vote anybody.
A few times I had considered voting Quad and then became scared and didn't.

I don't really know why I felt that, and explaining it now it seems really stupid. All I was doing was further delaying the game and I apologise.

I was hoping for a lot more action to end this day, and it's looking like we're not going to get it.

And I'm not sure I like Quad's mention of the space jellies of game 6. It should be perfectly innocent but... I dunno it portends badness I feel.
(I'm glad you understand)
Okay, I've been to Pretoria and back, and was rather hoping that TwisterBE had answered/roleclaimed.

I'm sorry to do this, but Vote: TwisterBE.

I wouldn't be happy with a no lynch for today, so I feel compelled to vote. However, this is not without precedent. I listed Twister as my top suspect in post 504( my reasons are a bit too lengthy to repeat here) and I wasn't happy with the meagre reply he gave to my accusation( in post 511); his strange edit and bullish, defensive response are really the last nail in the coffin for me.
I'm gonna look a complete idiot if i'm wrong, but I really do think we have nailed one here - mind you, I thought exactly the same about N0x0ss , so what do I know!
*sigh*

I was rather hoping for a claim or a little more defence from TwisterBE, but I guess the lack of those could be interpreted as scumminess.

*crosses fingers*

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Robbeasy: Totally off-topic folks - you might want to check the Mafia Admin forum....
D'you think if we asked nicely GOG would give us a Mafia Admin forum?
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SirPrimalform: *sigh*

I was rather hoping for a claim or a little more defence from TwisterBE, but I guess the lack of those could be interpreted as scumminess.

*crosses fingers*

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Robbeasy: Totally off-topic folks - you might want to check the Mafia Admin forum....
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SirPrimalform: D'you think if we asked nicely GOG would give us a Mafia Admin forum?
i meant thread...;)