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Posted June 12, 2011
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GameRager: BTW I urge people to buy this game for at least a good amount as even if you don't like it every dime will count towards a polished sequel that you might actually like more.
Buying a bad game hopping that the sequel will be better... isn't that one of the few thing even less effective than online petition ?
Posted June 12, 2011
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GameRager: I'm serious......part of the problem was Pitchford was too greedy and rushed it out early, and he also did it because if he had delayed it people wouldv'e lost faith and dropped preorders.

So which would you have wanted? Not many buying the game but releasing it later after people lose interest & GBX possibly not wanting to make another one? Or them releasing an unpolished game early as they've done, which got many criticisms but might give them enough profit and incentive to make a serious attempt next time?
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Kabuto: I was partially serious :P

The title I put forth was a reference to Terminator 3: Redemption which came out a year after Rise of the Machines on ps2/xbox/gamecube. Redemption followed the same main story as Rise of the Machines but the gameplay and levels was much better. The title itself screams we're sorry for releasing that turd, here's the real version that we meant to make.
Cool.......sorry for the confusion.
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GameRager: I'm serious......part of the problem was Pitchford was too greedy and rushed it out early, and he also did it because if he had delayed it people wouldv'e lost faith and dropped preorders.

So which would you have wanted? Not many buying the game but releasing it later after people lose interest & GBX possibly not wanting to make another one? Or them releasing an unpolished game early as they've done, which got many criticisms but might give them enough profit and incentive to make a serious attempt next time?
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evilguy12: If they know people will buy it purely because of Duke Nukem, they'd put in even less effort in the next one in an attempt to cash in on the franchise and people's nostalgia.
That's pessimism speaking...you have no way of knowing that.
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GameRager: BTW I urge people to buy this game for at least a good amount as even if you don't like it every dime will count towards a polished sequel that you might actually like more.
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Gersen: Buying a bad game hopping that the sequel will be better... isn't that one of the few thing even less effective than online petition ?
Normally this would be right but this is a game acquired and hastily thrown out the door by a different publishing house. Not one bad game made in a few years which is bad and then another made a few years later by the same publisher.
Post edited June 12, 2011 by GameRager
Posted June 12, 2011
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DodoGeo: Another thing I noticed is that in the start the levels are crammed with stuff, it seems the level design gets more and more bland
I'm pretty disappointed by the colour pallets in this game bar a few areas. Most of it decided to go swimming in the sea of brown and grey :'(
Posted June 12, 2011
I like how the only people defending this piece of crap are from a place where it wasn't released yet. Be back in 2 days, and see how the s#!t hits the fans.;)
Posted June 12, 2011
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Arteveld: I like how the only people defending this piece of crap are from a place where it wasn't released yet. Be back in 2 days, and see how the s#!t hits the fans.;)
I'm surprised how much people want to bash this game even though they either didn't buy/play it yet, or they played it with the nostalgia glasses on too tight and they hype machine in full gear....thus making them heavily biased against it from the get go.
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DodoGeo: Another thing I noticed is that in the start the levels are crammed with stuff, it seems the level design gets more and more bland
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Ash360: I'm pretty disappointed by the colour pallets in this game bar a few areas. Most of it decided to go swimming in the sea of brown and grey :'(
I've seen gameplay screens and that's bullshit.......yes the levels in some areas lack color variety but IMO that makes the areas more gritty and realistic. I'd rather have more realism than a kalidoscope of technocolor splashed everywhere like the inside of a clown's stomach.
Post edited June 12, 2011 by GameRager
Posted June 12, 2011
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GameRager: I'm surprised how much people want to bash this game even though they either didn't buy/play it yet, or they played it with the nostalgia glasses on too tight and they hype machine in full gear....thus making them heavily biased against it from the get go.
Yeah, i bet that's their reasoning, sure.. Aha..You'll see what we meant.;)
I've played it (it's good to have dumb friends sometimes) and i didn't expect a DN3D 2.
I hope You'll entertain us with a review in 2 days, i'd like to hear some rational defense of this game. Not because it deserves any, but because a rational defense of DNF would be quite something. See You then!:)
Posted June 12, 2011
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hedwards: Ouch. You mean the same Quake 3 which had no single player at all? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that game was fun, but I'm not sure how one would even go about comparing a game without a single player option with one that's got a single player campaign to play.
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DodoGeo: Let me rephrase: Like Painkiller, it's almost the same gameplay and it's singleplayer.
OK, I just wasn't sure what precisely the games had in common, or whether you were meaning to comment on the multiplayer aspect.

I'm not presently in a position to make judgments about the final game as it hasn't yet unlocked.

The feeling I get is that what GR said about Serious Same likely applies. Don't take it too seriously, and just have fun. I doubt anybody could have fun with the game if they're going to spend most of their playtime analyzing where the development time went. Considering most of it went into changing engines. It is apparent that they did retain some of the stuff like the rail cars, which seems to have been a wise idea.
Posted June 12, 2011
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Ash360: I'm pretty disappointed by the colour pallets in this game bar a few areas. Most of it decided to go swimming in the sea of brown and grey :'(
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GameRager: I've seen gameplay screens and that's bullshit.......yes the levels in some areas lack color variety but IMO that makes the areas more gritty and realistic. I'd rather have more realism than a kalidoscope of technocolor splashed everywhere like the inside of a clown's stomach.
I don't really remember Duke Nukem 3D being gritty and realistic and either way the 'gritty realistic' look is pretty boring and over used.
Posted June 12, 2011
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GameRager: I'm surprised how much people want to bash this game even though they either didn't buy/play it yet, or they played it with the nostalgia glasses on too tight and they hype machine in full gear....thus making them heavily biased against it from the get go.
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Arteveld: Yeah, i bet that's their reasoning, sure.. Aha..You'll see what we meant.;)
I've played it (it's good to have dumb friends sometimes) and i didn't expect a DN3D 2.
I hope You'll entertain us with a review in 2 days, i'd like to hear some rational defense of this game. Not because it deserves any, but because a rational defense of DNF would be quite something. See You then!:)
1st line: Deflection move....nice.

2nd line: Lying to one's self, how do you do that exactly while keeping a straight face?

3rd line: I play slow so it will take me a week or so to finish, if not more...though i'll be sure to fill everyone in on the good and BAD stuff I find.

4th: You make it seem as if i'm being irriational in my defense of the game so far......whereas I could posit you're being irrational in your criticisms of the game. ;)
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evilguy12: I don't really remember Duke Nukem 3D being gritty and realistic and either way the 'gritty realistic' look is pretty boring and over used.
If done too much I agree, but combine that look with some humorous props and one liners and it's not that bad.
Post edited June 12, 2011 by GameRager
Posted June 12, 2011
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Arteveld: I like how the only people defending this piece of crap are from a place where it wasn't released yet. Be back in 2 days, and see how the s#!t hits the fans.;)
It's hard for me to say for sure seeing as I haven't yet played. But the reviews I've seen have been bad. Not bad as in critical or giving a low score, but bad in that they aren't even reviews.

I've been keeping tabs on the threads, and some of the criticisms seem fair, assuming they're accurate, but a lot of it is whining by hipsters that are too cool for Duke. And those tend to then fill out the various fora.

I definitely could be wrong, my position has never been that DNF is a great game or even a good one, I haven't played it so I don't know. But a lot of the criticism is coming from people who didn't get the original series on any sort of deep level and just had fun with it. Which isn't wrong, in fact that's how I played the demo, but a lot of the expectations that people have going into the game were unrealistic. If you have a cynical view even before starting the program, I don't know any game that's going to be able to overcome that level of cynicism.

And yes, the game will be unlocked in a couple days, and I'll see how I feel after I play the game. But seeing as most of the people who hated the full game seem to be the same ones that hated the demo, I'm not sure what I can say about that.
Posted June 12, 2011
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GameRager: I've seen gameplay screens and that's bullshit.......yes the levels in some areas lack color variety but IMO that makes the areas more gritty and realistic. I'd rather have more realism than a kalidoscope of technocolor splashed everywhere like the inside of a clown's stomach.
A clowns stomach XD
I wasn't suggesting such a thing and I'm not saying there aren't some more colourful areas. I just think it's a shame because some of the areas quite suited the more brownish colour pallet, It's kind of lost when so many other areas turn out to be quite brown/grey and everything so muted. Yes it's one way to make things seem grits, and I appreciate they did it because it's then easy to stick in some splashes of more saturated colour to draw players attention, I wouldn't say it's realistic though. There's a lot of colour in the world and I don't just mean florescent rainbow type colours that might come from a unicorns backside.
Post edited June 12, 2011 by Ash360
Posted June 12, 2011
Finished it over the weekend. Starting over to go through it more thoroughly and find all the hidden stuff.

Pretty chuffed I dare say.
Posted June 12, 2011
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chris.frukacz: Finished it over the weekend. Starting over to go through it more thoroughly and find all the hidden stuff.

Pretty chuffed I dare say.
I do wonder how much of the one sidedness of the debate isn't a result of all the people too busy playing the game to defend it.

Also, how dare you fail to hate a game that's apparently terrible. :-P
Posted June 12, 2011
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hedwards: (snip)
Done arguing for now. It's not a perfect game but I found myself just pinned to it and enjoyed the hell out of it. And hell, folk are welcome to attack this opinion with "It's shite lolololol, your too much of a fanboy to see how shit this game is gah, look at the reviews!". Yeah, whatever.

Not gonna join it for sake of arguing and trolling as there is no point trying to force folk to join "your side" of the argument. There is no sides, just opinions and I'm entitled to mine :)
Posted June 12, 2011
well lets be fair and wait for rager and hedwards to play the game and get back, did anyone announce that there will be another duke game ?
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