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Posted May 23, 2011
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Tulivu: Please continue. I would appreciate a European perspective on the matter. Its easy to gaze across the pond and speculate.
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JudasIscariot: I am European by birth, American from the fact I lived in the States from 9 years old until 31 years of age so my thinking is more American, and European again by location. I feel like I am qualified to put my two Eurocents in.

What I think keevek is referring to is that when Poland was under Communist rule just about everything was government-owned or ran. This included a lot of PGRs, which would translate to GFs or Government Farms, government-owned factories, and anything else you can think possibly imagine. During Poland's Communist period if one PGR or factory were failing because of whatever reason the government would simply funnel some funds from one prospering factory or farm until the failing business got back on its feet again.

Fast forward to today.

Poland has entered the EU. Several countries in the EU are going belly-up. This includes Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and Greece. These countries get bailout packages around 70-90 BILLION Euros a pop. For a better perspective 1 $ = 0.71399 Euro. Guess who pays for the bailout packages for these countries? Other member countries such as Poland, Germany, France etc. etc. So imagine if you, living in the state of North Dakota, had to pay YOUR tax dollars to bail out California.
Only Greece and Ireland received bailouts, Portugal will also receive them for sure, but Spain didn´t. Fortunately the oposition failed when they tried to block the budget cut in the parliament. In Portugal, sadly for them, the opposition succeded blocking the cuts with their demagogy.

"These countries get bailout packages around 70-90 BILLION Euros a pop. For a better perspective 1 $ = 0.71399 Euro. Guess who pays for the bailout packages for these countries? Other member countries such as Poland, Germany,"
Poland?????????????? Sorry, no disrespect whatsoever, but wahahahahaha... Germany, Germany, Germany, oh, also Germany and also Finland, Holland... Poland is one of the receptors of cohesion and structural funds from the EU. They received 3, 214 billion euro in 2004, 5,665 billion in 2005, 6,051 billion in 2006, 9,589 in 2007, 11,711 in 2008, 13,565 in
2009, 14,190 in 2010 and 15,11 in 2011 (not complete), and will receive 15,935 in 2012 and 16,632 billion euro in 2013. And only the countries involved in the single currency system contribute to the bailouts!!! Please inform yourself.

Pd: Dont get this as a nationalistic message, I don´t give a fuck about national pride, especially the spanish one.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by tejozaszaszas
Posted May 23, 2011
Dude, you are being paranoid. Sure, the EU has a lot of problems (a democracy deficit being on of them) but overall this is a good way. Equal rights for all citizens. And arguing that the light bulbs and water taps indicate a road to communism? Come on. What are you complaining about next? Not being able to buy a deodorant with HCFC? Digga, please ...
To run a business in EU you need to have permission and fill many forms. To run a bakery , you have to fill at least 30 different forms.

You need to make reports about your company, you have to store all company's documents for a lifetime.

You have to let your company being visited by sanitary controls et cetera.

More: You have to ask gov. for permission to build a house. You need permission to sell thing on ebay if you sell more often than several times a month.

If you call this a good way, I wish you good luck.

And I've heard that you are censoring video games from blood in Germany. That sucks man.
The allegation regarding the special forces incident could be serious though. I’d need more information though. An insult is against the law after all.
It's not in U.S. for example. When you insult someone it should be a civil case, not criminal.

PS. There were several cases in Germany, when German court forbid Polish-speaking parents (in separation) to speak and teach Polish language to their children. Yes, in year 2010. So digga, please, don't tell me we are all in a good way.

And you have nothing wrong with the fact that Germany supports all poor countries with YOUR money without asking?
Post edited May 23, 2011 by keeveek
Posted May 23, 2011
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keeveek: In Sweden gov. may take your child when:
- you criticise them
- you have no refrigerator (or how it's spelled...) in the house
- you live in poor conditions
- you yelled at child in public.

Remember. In modern communism your child is NOT yours. It belongs to the society.
Haha! Funny memory: my parents warning me not to talk about being spanked or I'd be molested by a foster father. On a serious note, I even worry about neoNazis having their children taken away because it sets a precedent that you can take away a child just because you don't agree with them.
Posted May 23, 2011
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Demut: Ah, a Spaniard. How’s the revolution going, comrade :B ?
What revolution?
Posted May 23, 2011
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Tulivu: Haha! Funny memory: my parents warning me not to talk about being spanked or I'd be molested by a foster father. On a serious note, I even worry about neoNazis having their children taken away because it sets a precedent that you can take away a child just because you don't agree with them.
You can end up in jail for spanking your children, it's not that funny for me ;-)

Children in schools are taught to report any behaviors like that to the authorities. Just like in Orwell's 1984.

But good news to every Soviet European Union citizens! It will collapse soon. It starts now. Plans are made to exclude Greece from euro currency zone. There are plans to cancel Schengen boarding zones. It's just a beggining.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by keeveek
Posted May 23, 2011
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keeveek: And you have nothing wrong with the fact that Germany supports all poor countries with YOUR money without asking?
Like yours.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by tejozaszaszas
Posted May 23, 2011
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tejozaszaszas: What revolution?
The youth protesting against their shitty government?

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tejozaszaszas: Pd: Dont get this as a nationalistic message, I don´t give a fuck about national pride, especially the spanish one.
Hooray for reason!

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keeveek: And I've heard that you are censoring video games from blood in Germany. That sucks man.
Yeah, that does suck but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The cause of that are stuck-up moralizing cunts who’ve been doing this ever since. Literally.

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keeveek: PS. There were several cases in Germany, when German court forbid Polish-speaking parents (in separation) to speak and teach Polish language to their children. Yes, in year 2010.
I’m afraid I’ll have to ask for a source on this, brother.

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keeveek: And you have nothing wrong with the fact that Germany supports all poor countries with YOUR money without asking?
No, why would I?
a) That’s what a union is. Solidarity and stuff, you know? I thought hospitality is an important part of Polish culture. What ever happened to that?
b) Germany has the most benefits of being in the EU and is the biggest earner, so yeah, it should help out other states.

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keeveek: Here's one for you: In Poland only 1 person out of 1 000 has a gun (not counting Policemen). In Switzerland AFAIK the numbers are about 300/1000
I hope you are only stupid and don’t why this is instead of purposely hiding the fact that this number is so high because of the reservists keeping their weapons.
Posted May 23, 2011
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keeveek:




And you have nothing wrong with the fact that Germany supports all poor countries with YOUR money without asking?
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tejozaszaszas: Like yours.
Germany pays much and much more than Poland or Spain.
Posted May 23, 2011
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Demut: Oh and don’t me wrong, I don’t think that a free market is a bad thing but rather that it’s an oxymoron. For me “free” implies “unrestricted” and where that leads to was shown during the Industrial Revolution.
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Demut: While we probably agree on the goals I think your proposition is not the way to go. MORE regulations (or how about properly enforcing the existing ones?) for corporations, less regulations for upstart businesses. But yeah, almost every government on this planet is probably corrupt as fuck.
Just a suggestion to mull over, how about Many people always jump to the conclusion that more regulation is needed , using the Industrial Revolution as an example of why. I feel that courts don't properly enforce people's rights and too often allow corporations or government to walk all over common citizens. If you have a strong (note that strong doesn't mean big) government willing to back up people's rights in court, regualtory associations would largely become unnecessary, eliminating some tax burden. This could also help eliminate [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture]regulatory capture, which happens all too often. At least in the U.S. it does.
Posted May 23, 2011
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tejozaszaszas: Pd: Dont get this as a nationalistic message, I don´t give a fuck about national pride, especially the spanish one.
+1 rep just for that.

@keeveek

the law which forbids insulting president is NOT EU creation. it is solely our own creation so using that as argument is moronic. sure. maybe the copied us in that regards, maybe we copied them. yet the law has nothing to do with EU.

Australia net censoroship is at the moment pretty nonexistent. they try to change that but how well that goes i don't know anymore.
Posted May 23, 2011
This is why I prefer the idea of a confederacy rather than a federal republic or union. The idea of sovereignty protecting my community's way of life from a combined majority that no longer represents me is comforting. Together we stand... as individuals. Is that beyond reason?
Post edited May 23, 2011 by Tulivu
Posted May 23, 2011
Communism and socialism: bad. But anyone who has actually read The Communist Manifesto knows it is downright frightening. Socialism is a watered down version of communism, but still says fuck you just as hard to the individual while trying to convince them its to their benefit.
Posted May 23, 2011
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keeveek: To run a business in EU you need to have permission and fill many forms. To run a bakery , you have to fill at least 30 different forms.
like in every civilized country. especially food industry.

You need to make reports about your company, you have to store all company's documents for a lifetime.
same. i had to report every 3 months to the government and some stuff every year. and my revenue was just 10k of australian dollars. and i had no employees, or even a salary for myself. some documents must be stored for your lifetime, lifetime of the company and just few years. not all.
You have to let your company being visited by sanitary controls et cetera.
so does every civilized country in the world. no idea what the hell is your problem with that.

More: You have to ask gov. for permission to build a house. You need permission to sell thing on ebay if you sell more often than several times a month.
and again. every civlized country requires building permission otherwise i would be able to build a ten story house in a pink color with two 2 story balls on a side in the middle of a city.
not sure about having permission to sell on ebay but if you make too much on there (what level i don't know. knew for australia but it didn't work out for me so i forgot) it HAS TO BE taxed. otherwise you would be able to hide your profits. those laws exist almost everywhere (even china. that's a fact i know) some governments do not keep up with times tough so some of those laws in certain places can be a bit weird tough.

If you call this a good way, I wish you good luck.

i really don't get your world view mate. not sure what is your problem with eu as it simply seems that you have problem with whole western civilization not with eu in particular
Posted May 23, 2011
keeveek: Here's one for you: In Poland only 1 person out of 1 000 has a gun (not counting Policemen). In Switzerland AFAIK the numbers are about 300/1000
I hope you are only stupid and don’t why this is instead of purposely hiding the fact that this number is so high because of the reservists keeping their weapons.
Finland - 100/1000
Czech Republic - 100/1000

PS. For that case with Polish speaking partens I can only try to find sources in Polish. For example: http://www.tvp.info/informacje/ludzie/nie-mogl-rozmawiac-z-dziecmi-po-polsku
like in every civilized country. especially food industry.
I wish I live in non-civilized ancient Rome. But they all died because lack of social care, I suppose.
and again. every civlized country requires building permission otherwise i would be able to build a ten story house in a pink color with two 2 story balls on a side in the middle of a city.
I know that building what you want on your property is TERRIFYING in modern communism brainwashed citizens.

I'm scared I live among brainwashed guys like you.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by keeveek
Posted May 23, 2011
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nondeplumage: Communism and socialism: bad. But anyone who has actually read The Communist Manifesto knows it is downright frightening. Socialism is a watered down version of communism, but still says fuck you just as hard to the individual while trying to convince them its to their benefit.
Yep, we who live in social democracies are oh so horribly oppressed.
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