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keeveek: PS. For that case with Polish speaking partens I can only try to find sources in Polish. For example: http://www.tvp.info/informacje/ludzie/nie-mogl-rozmawiac-z-dziecmi-po-polsku
AND?
your point mate? that oh. evil germans are treating polish disrespectful?
what are you trying to say here?
l I wish I live in non-civilized ancient Rome. But they all died because lack of social care, I suppose.
not sure whether serious...
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nondeplumage: Communism and socialism: bad. But anyone who has actually read The Communist Manifesto knows it is downright frightening. Socialism is a watered down version of communism, but still says fuck you just as hard to the individual while trying to convince them its to their benefit.
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Zchinque: Yep, we who live in social democracies are oh so horribly oppressed.
in fact, taxes are much higher (in percentage) that they were anytime before.

You don't realize that you are being f**** up in the ass as long as you have "free education and stuff". That's sad.
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keeveek: I know that building what you want on your property is TERRIFYING in modern communism brainwashed citizens.

I'm scared I live among brainwashed guys like you.
What? what in the name of god are you talking about? building permission are neither communist nor capitalist. they exist pretty much everywhere excluding somalia and some other third world countries.


Naprawde nie mam pojecia o co ci chodzi.*

*I really have no idea what you are talking about.
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lukaszthegreat: AND?
your point mate? that oh. evil germans are treating polish disrespectful?
what are you trying to say here?
that was a response for my participant in conversation who asked for source, so please don't stick up your nose too much :-)
What? what in the name of god are you talking about? building permission are neither communist nor capitalist. they exist pretty much everywhere excluding somalia and some other third world countries.
And they haven't for XIX centuries A.D. and many centuries before. And people LIVED. I know, scary.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by keeveek
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Zchinque: Yep, we who live in social democracies are oh so horribly oppressed.
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keeveek: in fact, taxes are much higher (in percentage) that they were anytime before.

You don't realize that you are being f**** up in the ass as long as you have "free education and stuff". That's sad.
I'm glad I have you to tell me what I do and do not realize, and what I evidently care about.
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keeveek: in fact, taxes are much higher (in percentage) that they were anytime before.

You don't realize that you are being f**** up in the ass as long as you have "free education and stuff". That's sad.
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Zchinque: I'm glad I have you to tell me what I do and do not realize, and what I evidently care about.
I know. You're just saying that taking away almost 80% of your salary in taxes is not an oppression. As long as you're not beaten up by Police (but you can be, if you resist), it's not stealing, yes?

Govt. steals your money indirectly , so you don't treat that as oppression.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by keeveek
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nondeplumage: Communism and socialism: bad. But anyone who has actually read The Communist Manifesto knows it is downright frightening. Socialism is a watered down version of communism, but still says fuck you just as hard to the individual while trying to convince them its to their benefit.
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Zchinque: Yep, we who live in social democracies are oh so horribly oppressed.
Its easy to say that when you are not the one being oppressed. Ask a gay or an African American. The problem is how easy it is for a government to drop the hammer. The Japanese immigrants didn't all see it coming before WWII started but the fact remains that given a riled majority, the government could step on you.
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keeveek: And they haven't for XIX centuries. And people LIVED. I know, scary.
oh mate. they did have. in less countries than today but in civlized countries you couldn't build anything you wanted on your ground.
the laws were more lienient as there were simply more space and less concern for pollution, for others well being.

and yes. people lived. yet by our standards life back then was pretty shitty.
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lukaszthegreat: [
oh mate. they did have. in less countries than today but in civlized countries you couldn't build anything you wanted on your ground.
the laws were more lienient as there were simply more space and less concern for pollution, for others well being.

and yes. people lived. yet by our standards life back then was pretty shitty.
Good point. As you can see by your own eyes, removing GOVERNMENTAL permissions to build, It doesn't mean that NEIGHBOUR's law disappears. It was in ancient Rome, too.

If someone builds a factory near your house, you have and HAD even in ancient rome right to SUE the company or a person for deconstruction.

You didn't need a nanny state to do that for you.
nd yes. people lived. yet by our standards life back then was pretty shitty.
Yeah, because they didn't have computers. Having ability to live free and live as you want to is shitty indeed.

you know, you cannot build a garage without some official's permission.

PS. Taxes were lower even for peasants (they were around 10%!) that they are now.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by keeveek
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Zchinque: Yep, we who live in social democracies are oh so horribly oppressed.
Were you like me, working 15 hours a day in a salt mine at age 13 ?
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keeveek: Good point. As you can see by your own eyes, removing GOVERNMENTAL permissions to build, It doesn't mean that NEIGHBOUR's law disappears. It was in ancient Rome, too.

If someone builds a factory near your house, you have and HAD even in ancient rome to SUE the company or a person for deconstruction.

You didn't need a nanny state to do that for you.
so you are saying it is better for both parties to first build a factory, then spend years fighting over it and then destroy it?
Factory owner
loses money for building, the having no production when he is taken to the court then having to destroy it and then finally has to build another one fearing the possibility of everything happening again because he doesn't know whether he can build one or not
home owners
has to suffer when factory is building then has to suffer when factory pollutes the are with noise and other pollutions and then has to spend years in courts fighting over removal of the factory and then suffer when factory is being demolished.
that's better situation?
you haven't thought that true.
Yeah, because they didn't have computers. Having ability to live free and live as you want to is shitty indeed.

Know, you cannot build a garage without some official's permission.
people worked 70 or more hours a week, in shitty workconditions, pollution was everywhere, child prostitutes littered the streets, women could not vote, you had to start work when you were 12 years old, racial minorities were oppressed, if you were nobody you will most likely never escape poverty no matter how bright you were and your life was decided by few hundred people who stood above law and you could never do anything to them

go and read a book life in 19th century and you will learn that our lives are much better than 150 years ago. i might try to find you one if you are too lazy to do yourself.
Factory owner
loses money for building
If he knows he loses the building, he will not build it in a first place. If he's not a moron.
spend years in courts fighting
In modern courts, yes. In ancient courts, it would take 45 mins MAX.

Please read some books about Roman law. You sure will learn much about good legislation.

PS. You are offending me. Please report to Australian authorities or GTFO from my internet. I will ignore your posts in future.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by keeveek
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Zchinque: Yep, we who live in social democracies are oh so horribly oppressed.
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Cambrey: Were you like me, working 15 hours a day in a salt mine at age 13 ?
If it got you that fabulous hat, I'd say it was worth it.
Factory owner
loses money for building
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keeveek: If he knows he loses the building, he will not build it in a first place. If he's not a moron.
how would he know that if he has no government official telling him that is okay to build here?
spend years in courts fighting
In modern courts, yes. In ancient courts, it would take 45 mins MAX.
haha. no.
maybe in 2000 BC. not in society which existed in past 500 years. our history is littered with cases which took years, sometimes decades to be resolved. unless it was decided by king of france.
then it took only 45min indeed. I don't like that idea tough...
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keeveek: PS. You are offending me. Please report to Australian authorities or GTFO from my internet. I will ignore your posts in future.
i am in poland right now. go report me to ABW then.

mate. you are really a laughing stock atm. what you say is complete bullshit. you have some weird notion that in the past everything was better and simpler and currently everything is shit.
if you troll then joke is on me and few others in this thread.
if you are serious then i pity you.

and it is not that you have different ideas about the world than i. that i respect. the problem is that you have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by lukaszthegreat
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keeveek: For example, EU forced Poland to change scholarship programme to the favor of social scholarships. There will be less scholarships for those who are good students, more for poor ones.
Woah. Social scholarship doesn't take one freakin' place for good students away, giving it to a poor one. It's to allow good students actually going to study, without the need of having rich parents to pay for it - that still helps a lot, but isn't a necessity. It's been brought up to give all good students a chance, instead of just the wealthy ones.

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keeveek: And more, I have read that in Australia they already censorhip the web, do they?
What has Australia to do with the EU? You've just proven that political stupidity isn't an EU exclusive, but universal.

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keeveek: To run a business in EU you need to have permission and fill many forms. To run a bakery , you have to fill at least 30 different forms.

You need to make reports about your company, you have to store all company's documents for a lifetime.

You have to let your company being visited by sanitary controls et cetera.

More: You have to ask gov. for permission to build a house. You need permission to sell thing on ebay if you sell more often than several times a month.
On all the above: check for Switzerland too, and no, we're not in the EU.

In America, you get trouble trying to move a table out of the way, if that work is defined as union work - in this case, only union workers are allowed to do so.

Did by now somehow ring a bell somewhere? If not, here's a little hint: It's not the EU, it's not communism invading.

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keeveek: And I've heard that you are censoring video games from blood in Germany. That sucks man.
That's also true for Poland? Not? ..... somehow I think you should have seen that this can't have anything to do with the EU, but is a Germany specific law, made by Germans for Germany.....

Factory owner
loses money for building
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keeveek: If he knows he loses the building, he will not build it in a first place. If he's not a moron.
He would build it anyway, knowing the right people who can bend the law to their will with the right amount of coins switching hands. The neighbors couldn't do jack about it, if they wouldn't be in a similar powerful position.

This is called corruption, which was rampant in ancient courts / societies / political systems (especially ancient Romes) and still can be found nowadays.

spend years in courts fighting
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keeveek: In modern courts, yes. In ancient courts, it would take 45 mins MAX.
Bribes.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by Siannah