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Reaper9988: I don't believe that sounds alot like conspiracy theory lol, i don't think Larian of all companies would go that way.

If it was true though Larian would be dead to me for sure, steam already is so no change there.
I was just tossing out some speculations about it. Otherwise, I really can't fathom why they'd release the game so long later. Age Of Wonders 3 didn't have this problem.

For me, even though I'm quite excited, I'm fine with waiting. Because these days, almost all new releases will arrive buggy, with content updates and changes being pumped out and rolled along into the bargain.

So, usually it's best to wait a few months for a bigger game especially, to "stabilize" before buying. Whenever, I'm too excited/anxious/impatient, reminding myself of all these calms me down fast. That, plus a huge backlog too. I've got lots of things to play and even a backlog of books that need reading to occupy myself for a long time. :D
Post edited July 01, 2014 by Nicole28
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Niggles: If that is the case, that is a real good reason to rip the shite out of Steam...im actually wondering if Banner Saga used a similar excuse from it being made available on GOG at launch as well (they *took* several weeks to make a drm free copy.....)
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Melhelix: Hey, at least it's not a Broken Age situation. Because that was oh so much fun. "Oh yeah, that game we said would be DRM-Free and really, strongly implied would be on GOG? Just kidding, here's a Steam key. Oh fine, fine, have a DRM-Free key if you absolutely must. But no, not on a website you will use for any other game. Oh yeah, we sell Broken Age on GOG now, but Backers still don't get a GOG-key. Because honestly, who cares about what KS Backers want?" Grrrrr. Yes, that still makes me irritated.
Communication and decision making is not the strong suit of certain devs......
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cw8: Hey guys, I've been reloading the Larian Vault periodically and it seems that they finally fixed the GOG option for the duo copy. I selected GOG and was able to redeem D:OS on GOG. The early access version still shows the steam key. Give it a shot.
Still not fixed for me, all my keys are locked to Steam with the message
If you have requested an Alpha key before on Steam, please bear with us as you will be able to change this to GOG very soon. If you do change this to GOG, the Steam key will stop working.
underneath them. Funny thing is, I never requested a Steam key before, all my choices were set to GOG from the beginning.


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Sude: No, and it wasn't included in the installer either :(
That's really rich, seems to support that the GOG release for backers was an afterthought.


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Coelocanth: Late replying to this, HSL, so sorry for that but:

yes, you're likely correct. However, I feel that the DRM-free crowd is growing more every day and eventually will be a force to be reckoned with. And I, for one, even though I love Larian's games, will decline to back any other project they may have if it turns out that the reason for this screw up is what I'm thinking it is. I may only be one voice now, but down the road I'll be part of a choir. Maybe then they'll sit up and take notice.
Are we still talking about a possible exclusivity deal in spite the promises made during the Kickstarter or are you referring to something else?


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Rincewind81: It was advertised as a big release back then and one of the reasons for regional pricing. And now? What release? Maybe in two month? But the game is ready for Backers here? And the only given reason is the support of an optional client?

This is just putting one and one together. It is about money...

And when we talk about money. The usual share between the developer and the store is 70:30. So GOG will take the same share. If they compensate every european buyer who pays 26% more than an american this will be a heavy impact. They did this for Age of Wonders because they need to react quickly, they do this with the Witcher because they get all the money and can afford it, but that is it. Regional pricing for now is pretty dead, so the delay instead. Most of the games are sold right at release and in the weeks after that. And Larian will get the most out of every buyer. And after that GOG can sell the game "fair priced" for less...
If this is the case, then GOG's making a fool out of themselves.

D:OS was one of the three games still touted in the "Getting back to our roots" thread as coming under the regional pricing model as a day-1 release.
I can understand how compensating could prove unsustainable, but they should have stuck with it for the three announced titles and reassess the situation for any and all later releases. Though they supposedly run their numbers back in March 2014 which showed that:
[...] we're actually pretty much coming in at "break even" point on any regionally-priced games.
If this is the case, then it's a pity that the statement of Marcin Iwiński
[...] we will be fighting hard to get all good DRM-free games up on GOG.com and I want to have them day1.
proves to be just wishful thinking.
As Millian wrote - Steam version does work fine independant of Steam - however - as others have mentioned it ain't the prettiest way to play. Raptr was like - nah man, you ain't playin' nuthin. Xfire was like - the devil you trying to do? ..and I wasn't game enough to try my kickstarter code incase it locked it to the Steam installed game (which will be nuked once GOG version is available).


Also - fantastic music. Just fantastic.

@Ganni1987 - yeah the steam_api.dll file is there.
woops my finger slipped a few times and now I own the game. DRM free, just as I would if I had waited without incentive for 2 months.
I'm sure I'll buy it from here when that time comes though. A much neater package then.
Post edited July 01, 2014 by micktiegs_8
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Rincewind81: It was advertised as a big release back then and one of the reasons for regional pricing. And now? What release? Maybe in two month? But the game is ready for Backers here? And the only given reason is the support of an optional client?

This is just putting one and one together. It is about money...

And when we talk about money. The usual share between the developer and the store is 70:30. So GOG will take the same share. If they compensate every european buyer who pays 26% more than an american this will be a heavy impact. They did this for Age of Wonders because they need to react quickly, they do this with the Witcher because they get all the money and can afford it, but that is it. Regional pricing for now is pretty dead, so the delay instead. Most of the games are sold right at release and in the weeks after that. And Larian will get the most out of every buyer. And after that GOG can sell the game "fair priced" for less...
Honestly if that is the case then i wish GoG would just come out and say it.
At least it would be quite clear that the fault is entirely on Larian and their distributors.

I frankly believe that my opinion of Larian will suffer considerably more before this whole thing is over.
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Matruchus: Exactly all games that are confirmed as drm-free on Steam can be backed up the way you described.
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epain: But this way of backing up is still not very practical.

You will be missing shortcuts, registry information so programs like the AMD / Nvidia control panel won't detect the game automatically, programs like Xfire and Raptr won't detect your game, etc.

Granted it works, but it's not very practical at all, a clean offline installer like GOG's is a better way of installing the game than extracting an archive file.
Actually the registry information can be added manually for every Steam game.

Firstly, almost every Steam game comes with a file called "installscript.vdf" which tells Steam what it should do with the game on first run. Every registry information regarding the game is included there.

Secondly, a clean offline installer like GOG's can be built using Inno Setup (Inno Setup is a free setup creator and GOG uses a highly modified version of it).

Thirdly, adding a game to Xfire isn't hard, same thing goes for the GPU control panels.


I say this because I backed up countless Steam games this way and have repacked each and every one of them over the past 2 years.
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Reaper9988: I don't believe that sounds alot like conspiracy theory lol, i don't think Larian of all companies would go that way.

If it was true though Larian would be dead to me for sure, steam already is so no change there.
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Nicole28: I was just tossing out some speculations about it. Otherwise, I really can't fathom why they'd release the game so long later. Age Of Wonders 3 didn't have this problem.

For me, even though I'm quite excited, I'm fine with waiting. Because these days, almost all new releases will arrive buggy, with content updates and changes being pumped out and rolled along into the bargain.

So, usually it's best to wait a few months for a bigger game especially, to "stabilize" before buying. Whenever, I'm too excited/anxious/impatient, reminding myself of all these calms me down fast. That, plus a huge backlog too. I've got lots of things to play and even a backlog of books that need reading to occupy myself for a long time. :D
Yeah - it does seem to be the way I'm leaning these days too. Which is sad - because I'm a gamer from way back in the day and for me that release date of a game and the thrill of playing it for the first time and skimming the manual while it installed and ignoring all of the 'PLEASE READ! IMPORTANT!" sections....
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Icinix: Yeah - it does seem to be the way I'm leaning these days too. Which is sad - because I'm a gamer from way back in the day and for me that release date of a game and the thrill of playing it for the first time and skimming the manual while it installed and ignoring all of the 'PLEASE READ! IMPORTANT!" sections....
i miss the days of good printed manuals.
Post edited July 01, 2014 by Reaper9988
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epain: But this way of backing up is still not very practical.

You will be missing shortcuts, registry information so programs like the AMD / Nvidia control panel won't detect the game automatically, programs like Xfire and Raptr won't detect your game, etc.

Granted it works, but it's not very practical at all, a clean offline installer like GOG's is a better way of installing the game than extracting an archive file.
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Ganni1987: Actually the registry information can be added manually for every Steam game.

Firstly, almost every Steam game comes with a file called "installscript.vdf" which tells Steam what it should do with the game on first run. Every registry information regarding the game is included there.

Secondly, a clean offline installer like GOG's can be built using Inno Setup (Inno Setup is a free setup creator and GOG uses a highly modified version of it).

Thirdly, adding a game to Xfire isn't hard, same thing goes for the GPU control panels.

I say this because I backed up countless Steam games this way and have repacked each and every one of them over the past 2 years.
All you said its true. But I do agree with epain if you give a casual pc user game files he won't know what to do with it. Most people just want to press on install and thats it. I personally don't mind if I have to do something when I install the game or better to say get it running.
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Ganni1987: Firstly, almost every Steam game comes with a file called "installscript.vdf" which tells Steam what it should do with the game on first run. Every registry information regarding the game is included there.

Secondly, a clean offline installer like GOG's can be built using Inno Setup (Inno Setup is a free setup creator and GOG uses a highly modified version of it).
Which essentially involves a shit-load of work that you could just save by buying the proper DRM-free version in the first place.

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Ganni1987: Thirdly, adding a game to Xfire isn't hard, same thing goes for the GPU control panels.
The GPU profiles aren't hard, that's true, but XFire will only recognise a lot of games if they are running through Steam. I've had quite a few problems where XFire happens to support certain games, but refuses to detect my version by virtue of it being the non-Steam or GOG version.
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Icinix: Yeah - it does seem to be the way I'm leaning these days too. Which is sad - because I'm a gamer from way back in the day and for me that release date of a game and the thrill of playing it for the first time and skimming the manual while it installed and ignoring all of the 'PLEASE READ! IMPORTANT!" sections....
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Reaper9988: i miss the days of good printed manuals.
Sometimes I print off the PDFs and pretend it's the days of printed manuals.

Can't replicate the smell though......

Edit : I wonder if there is a market outside of me for glossy magazine scent spray bottles.....
Post edited July 01, 2014 by Icinix
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Frankly, this sounds like another battle lost. Last time they tried to sugarcoat it, this time apparantly they decided to keep quiet about it and act like it was no big deal. Divinity: Original Sin was supposed to be one of the great projects for this year, a somewhat bigger and popular RPG between indie and AAA given the full GOG treatment and being available DRM-free from Day One, to directly compete with Steam - another prime example beside the Witcher games that GOG and DRM-free releases can be viable alternatives to the industry standard even for new and bigger budget games, a perfect opportunity for gamers to vote with their wallets.

It seemed like GOG and Larian together would be able to pull it off, and that reflected very well on Larian and made me so favorable towards them that I considered buying D:OS on release day for the full price - something I hardly ever do these days - just to support this courageous step. Well, obviously I was mistaken. First the regional pricing debacle, now the two months of Steam exclusivity blamed on the 'optional' client tells me that this isn't the paragon I was hoping for, that Larian is just a developer like any other and that the release of D:OS on GOG won't be all that spectacular.

Personally I'm not mad about it. I spent enough money in the summer sales and I have enough other games to play for the time being. Now that my motivation to buy D:OS just as a token of appreciation for Larian's courage has dropped, I probably will get it in a 50-75% off sale some day. But I'm kind of disappointed about the way GOG chose to communicate this apparant defeat to their customers (or rather their lack of proper communication).
Post edited July 01, 2014 by Leroux
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Reaper9988: i miss the days of good printed manuals.
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Icinix: Sometimes I print off the PDFs and pretend it's the days of printed manuals.

Can't replicate the smell though......
When this feeling happen, i take my starcraft box and just take the manual. It's just a RTS, but the manual is so thick it could stun an horse
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Icinix: Sometimes I print off the PDFs and pretend it's the days of printed manuals.

Can't replicate the smell though......
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Lord_Britania: When this feeling happen, i take my starcraft box and just take the manual. It's just a RTS, but the manual is so thick it could stun an horse
My thickest that I know of - is Star Wars Rebellion (or supremacy in Europe I think) - that thing is so thick I often mistake it for a highly decorated brick... AND the game came with an poster with all the ships and their numbers. That right there was quality manualship.