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rtcvb32: Walmart could muscle in and sell whiskey too if they really wanted to, but they don't.
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Luned: Well, alcohol's not really the right parallel, there can be all sorts of local restrictions here that limit Walmart's ability to sell whiskey. (For example: dry counties that don't allow alcohol sales at all, states that allow hard liquor to be sold only in specialized liquor stores or restaurants/bars, and "blue laws" that restrict alcohol sales on Sundays.) Clothing might be a better analogy. :)
Larger supermarkets here usually sell both whiskey (and most other forms of alcohol) and clothing. Why wouldn't they in the US, in places that allow it?
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amok: Why do every single thread on gOg revert to a Steam and Valve discussion? Can't you people just be happy that the classics are coming back without all this bickering?

good grief....
We would, but someone keeps bickering with us :-p
Post edited September 05, 2014 by Wishbone
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Wishbone: Larger supermarkets here usually sell both whiskey (and most other forms of alcohol) and clothing. Why wouldn't they in the US, in places that allow it?
Extra specialized rules or training in order to allow it?

This reminds me back in 2004, i was trying to join the Navy. I ended up qualifying with flying colors on everything; Then they had to bring out what the recruiter fondly called Volume 2 which was state laws and extra rules in order to join, and i couldn't because i had a GED and not a High School Diploma...

Walmart would probably hate to have to add and keep track of dozens of extra volumes or rules while just excluding refined liquor could avoid it...
Amiga games?...... AMBERMOON
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rtcvb32: I heard the Amiga was a good system, but never used it myself.
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F4LL0UT: This video may give you a decent idea of how the Amiga fared against late 80's / early 90's PCs.
If that video isn't enough to convince people, there is still Turrican.

Simply ask people to show you a 2D action game on PC that is better than Turrican 1 or Turrican 2 that wasn't made at least 10 years later.

A hint for people who don't know: The Turrican games are older than Monster Bash, Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure or Secret Agent, yet these three games look, sound and play like a child's programming practice project in comparison to Turrican 1 or 2.

If more Amiga games are to come to GOG then these two should definitely be among them!
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Luned: Well, alcohol's not really the right parallel, there can be all sorts of local restrictions here that limit Walmart's ability to sell whiskey.
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rtcvb32: I disagree. Quite often Walmart can have closed off sections that separate alcohol from elsewhere to accommodate all those laws/issues easily. It could be based on fees, i'm not sure what the laws are but if a license to sell hard liquor includes the whole store square footage as part of the fees for the state, then profits might be dropped down to nothing quite quickly since although in theory a walmart could put up 2000 square feet of inventory for hard liquor, it would probably be 100 or less, yet they might get charged the other 1900 feet for potentially selling alcohol.

Or maybe it's the training and wages for people qualified to sell alcohol (and we know walmart wants to be able to fire anyone at any moment). I'm not sure, but i wouldn't be surprised it's more a pain in the butt than it's worth than anything else.
Nope. I live in Georgia. Wine and beer can be sold in grocery stores and convenience stores, hard liquor cannot. You must go to a liquor store to buy hard liquor or purchase it "by the drink" in a restaurant/bar. Some of the warehouse clubs get around this by opening separate liquor stores in an adjoining space, but they're technically not part of the store. Tennessee is similar, only wine is classed in with hard liquor. In Pennsylvania, unless they've changed it recently, you had to go to a beer store to buy beer, and you couldn't buy it in quantities less than a case. Talk about encouraging alcohol abuse! The grocery stores and Walmart do just cordon off their alcohol sections for blue law compliance, however. And the training isn't the issue, it takes about 15 minutes to go over what you're supposed to do in terms of ID checks.

Check the wikipedia list by state, they vary wildly and widely: [url=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States[/url]

Anyway, this is derailing the thread.

GOG + Amiga games=Good.
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andysheets1975: Man, I hope not. Amiga emulation is a serious hassle. It would be great if GOG could cut through that and give people something they could just click on and play, as with the DOS games.
With AmigaFovever running adf images is less work than in case of DOS games using DOSBox. But legal problems is different beast. That is why I bet adfs will be just added as a bonus content (in the same - I hope I'm wrong:-)
Post edited September 05, 2014 by tburger
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F4LL0UT: Edit: OooOOOOoooh... now I see. The Amiga could read IBM formatted disks of up to 720kb in size, that's where Wishbone got the number from.
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Wishbone: Nope, I pulled the number out of my ass, actually ;-) That is to say, I remembered it wrongly. My memory seemed to tell me that Amiga disks were 720kB in size, but on this occasion, my memory was wrong.
720KB was the size of a DOS formatted double density disk which became obsolete when high density disks doubled the capacity to 1.44MB. Amigas only had double density drives but since they had a different formatting they managed to fit 880KB on them.
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andysheets1975: Man, I hope not. Amiga emulation is a serious hassle. It would be great if GOG could cut through that and give people something they could just click on and play, as with the DOS games.
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tburger: With AmigaFovever is less work than in case of DOS games using DOSBox. But legal problems is different beast. That is why I bet adfs will be just added as a bonus content (in the same - I hope I'm wrong:-)
Not necessarily . If a game has never been ported to dos, or is totally different then they could run into trouble, as to get the true Amiga you'd need a good spec PC as well as a ROM.
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Pond86: Not necessarily . If a game has never been ported to dos, or is totally different then they could run into trouble, as to get the true Amiga you'd need a good spec PC as well as a ROM.
AmigaForever is being sold with various Amiga ROMs. I have a crappy PC (Pentium D 3.4, 2 GB RAM, ATI 9600 PRO) - all amiga games I've tried run hasslefree on AF.
Post edited September 05, 2014 by tburger
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amok: Why do every single thread on gOg revert to a Steam and Valve discussion? Can't you people just be happy that the classics are coming back without all this bickering?

good grief....
Because it's awfully trendy these days to hate the one on top. This is the same no matter what it is, MMORPGS, Sports, retail stores, etc. Usually it comes down to being pissed at something you don't have that the one on top does (MMORPG - most players, Sports - outspend other teams, retail stores - most customers, etc).
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Pond86: Not necessarily . If a game has never been ported to dos, or is totally different then they could run into trouble, as to get the true Amiga you'd need a good spec PC as well as a ROM.
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tburger: AmigaForever is being sold with various Amiga ROMs. I have a crappy PC (Pentium D 3.4, 2 GB RAM, ATI 9600 PRO) - all amiga games I've tried run hasslefree on AF.
Yes but AF charges. Gog would be on a Mass scale. Plus it would have to suit people like my dad who I have to set it up for. TBH if GOG cant even get certain DOS games then the Amiga games a mine field as the numerous copyright issues and the people who don't want to mess about creating save disks, etc.
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Luned: And the training isn't the issue, it takes about 15 minutes to go over what you're supposed to do in terms of ID checks.
Training may not be in the simplest of explanations, but what if you needed each person who could sell liquor not only to be over 21 (or some arbitrary age) AND they had to have a license that the state may or may not require other specific requirements, like not having any felonies. Then if Alcohol isn't sold separately then it's possible lines could be held up because someone brought something the cashier couldn't ring up because they legally weren't allowed to... Like having a food-handling card to work in fast food when i worked fast food without them in another state.. Annoying as hell...

Course in some of the history of how sex changed history, to get around serving alcohol in New York where only hotels or restaurants could sell it, they would sell a sandwich that was passed from person to person and never actually ate; Plus having rooms then made it easier to do the very thing Roosevelt was trying to stop...

But yeah this is off topic... Then again at least we're not talking about steam are we? :P
Wow, that would be amazing! I've just gotten into Amiga gaming and there are some really good Amiga-exclusive games that most people (in the US at least) have not played. Some are basically impossible to get legally, even buying off eBay the disks cannot be read in a PC.

Even for games where you can legally get the disk images, setting things up properly is a massive pain. Amiga Forever gets you the ROMs but has very limited options and documentation. WinUAE has more options but is difficult to set up and is kind of buggy. Plus I haven't figured out a way to easily use the Amiga icons on my desktop. GOG really has the ability to make these games easily accessible to a larger audience, and stand against the stupid abandonware community who thinks these games are so old no one would pay for them.
Post edited September 05, 2014 by ecamber
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Geralt_of_Rivia: Simply ask people to show you a 2D action game on PC that is better than Turrican 1 or Turrican 2 that wasn't made at least 10 years later.
Rayman. I agree that it took a while for PC gaming to catch up but let's not exaggerate. With VGA graphics and soundcards PCs already caught up in the early 90's.

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Geralt_of_Rivia: A hint for people who don't know: The Turrican games are older than Monster Bash, Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure or Secret Agent, yet these three games look, sound and play like a child's programming practice project in comparison to Turrican 1 or 2.
True. Heck, the early 90's DOS platformers were closer to the C64 version of Turrican than the Amiga version.
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F4LL0UT: This video may give you a decent idea of how the Amiga fared against late 80's / early 90's PCs.
That's a pretty awesome comparison video. For some games, the difference is not all that great, but for others it's massive. It also serves to illustrate that while the PC did catch up graphics-wise before too long, on the sound side the Amiga still ruled supreme for a while longer.

It also reminded me of another thing however. This is mostly for the people who never had an Amiga but are interested in it.

While the Amiga did have superior sound, it was not well suited for headphones. The reason is that the Amiga's four sound channels were divided left and right with two channels on each side with no mixing at all. This means that when you're listening to Amiga music in the original sound mix (i.e. no mix at all) with headphones on, you will hear two channels in one ear and two completely separate channels in the other. It sounds... weird, for lack of a better word. When playing Amiga games in an emulator with headphones on, I'll advise you to switch the emulator to mono sound, making it play all four sound channels in both ears, or if there is an option to make a more standardized stereo mix, use that instead.

Of course, some Amiga music was made to take advantage of this, making samples echo back and forth between channels, but that was mainly done on the music and demo scene. I don't recall any games that actually used the stereo separation consciously. For people interested in seeing what could be done on such a fairly limited machine, I'll advise you to watch some videos of Amiga demos. Remember, these were made by amateurs, but it's amazing what they accomplished. Here are a few of my favourites:

Spaceballs - State Of The Art (pure demo) : Spaceballs - State Of The Art (balanced sound mix, early 90s teenage room visuals)

Man, I've never seen that second version before. That's awesome! Fantastic way to present an old Amiga demo :-D

Kefrens - Desert Dream (1993)

I loved Desert Dream back then, especially the music. I was quite awestruck years later when I found that some enterprising individuals had recreated it... on the C64! Chorus & Resource - The Desert Dream (C64)

For those more interested in the musical side of things, here's a tune that circulated back then. It's being played in ProTracker, a popular music sequencing program on the Amiga. Jogeir Liljedahl - Guitar Slinger

Back then, people would swap tunes like these, mods, as they were called, just like they swapped demos (yes, and games). Back then, a "mod" was not a modification for a game. Those didn't really exist. A mod was a module, which is what music files made with tracker programs such as ProTracker, shown above, were called.

Man, I've spent a long time writing this post. I think I'll stop for now.
Post edited September 05, 2014 by Wishbone