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Ssnake51: Never said GOG isn't free to run their business they way they see fit. Just as their customers are free to make it known what they don't like about GOG's business practices.

If people are happy to buy these games as is, I have no wish to discourage them from doing so. I'm not going to buy them.
Making it know(i.e. stating it a reasonable number of times and via proper channels) is fine...repeating it over and over is just attention seeking.
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Ssnake51: Never said GOG isn't free to run their business they way they see fit. Just as their customers are free to make it known what they don't like about GOG's business practices.

If people are happy to buy these games as is, I have no wish to discourage them from doing so. I'm not going to buy them.
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GameRager: Making it know(i.e. stating it a reasonable number of times and via proper channels) is fine...repeating it over and over is just attention seeking.
As long as you kep criticizing others for making these complaints you are going to keep seeing them repeated.
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GameRager: Making it know(i.e. stating it a reasonable number of times and via proper channels) is fine...repeating it over and over is just attention seeking.
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Ssnake51: As long as you kep criticizing others for making these complaints you are going to keep seeing them repeated.
And repeating them after someone criticizes just shows those that do so can't control themselves & adds credence to our point about attention seeking.

/heated mode on

"OMG That dude dissed my position on this issue....I better reiterate it...that'll show em'"

/heated mode off
Post edited June 11, 2011 by GameRager
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hedwards: If you don't think the present offer is good enough to justify the outlay, then don't buy it.
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Delixe: That's the one thing that has annoyed me about all these stupid threads. Don't like the deal then don't buy it, simples. There is no need to make multiple threads about whine and certainly no reason to try and force others not to buy.
It's not entirely unreasonable to say why you aren't buying something if it is an issue of something being missing or a matter of principle. It doesn't hurt anyone to say it, and in fact might bring attention to the issue not only to GOG, but to people who might be consideering these games. I for one almost bought Alpha Centurai, before the threads made note of the lack of expansions. That pushed it back into a Wait and See list for me, and I am personally glad the issue was brought up.
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Delixe: That's the one thing that has annoyed me about all these stupid threads. Don't like the deal then don't buy it, simples. There is no need to make multiple threads about whine and certainly no reason to try and force others not to buy.
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RatherDashing: It's not entirely unreasonable to say why you aren't buying something if it is an issue of something being missing or a matter of principle. It doesn't hurt anyone to say it, and in fact might bring attention to the issue not only to GOG, but to people who might be consideering these games. I for one almost bought Alpha Centurai, before the threads made note of the lack of expansions. That pushed it back into a Wait and See list for me, and I am personally glad the issue was brought up.
Perhaps, but I don't think we need to have so many threads where people are doing that. It's getting really repetitive and a lot of the information being used to push for a boycott and GOG being bad is based upon incorrect information and assumptions.

Were it one thread that was based upon some facts and realistic assumptions, I don't think people would be complaining as much about the bitching. But with the number of threads dedicated to it and the amount of misinformation being used, it's clearly time to call in the waaaambulance.
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Delixe: That's the one thing that has annoyed me about all these stupid threads. Don't like the deal then don't buy it, simples. There is no need to make multiple threads about whine and certainly no reason to try and force others not to buy.
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RatherDashing: It's not entirely unreasonable to say why you aren't buying something if it is an issue of something being missing or a matter of principle. It doesn't hurt anyone to say it, and in fact might bring attention to the issue not only to GOG, but to people who might be consideering these games. I for one almost bought Alpha Centurai, before the threads made note of the lack of expansions. That pushed it back into a Wait and See list for me, and I am personally glad the issue was brought up.
But they haven't just said it. They've said it OVER & OVER again, in 3 threads.
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Ssnake51: What make you think there are actually negotions going on? All GOG has said is that 'they are doing what they can". That could mean anything from signing a deal to release these expansion to simply sitting on their rear ends.
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hedwards: Honestly, we have all the information that they can give.
Maybe. But what it amounts to is no informaiton at all. No wonder people are dissaisfied with the response GOG gave. It smacks of a typical PR response.

The various employees of Gog have been refreshingly honest up until this point, they're not going to chuck their reputation in the garbage after signing such a significant deal.

Personally, I think GOG blew it by not making it clear from the start that all of the EA games would be the original versions only and not include any expansions. They over-hyped this deal and a fair number of customers are more than a little peeved over this.
When I heard that it was down to EA or LA I was pretty excited because I assumed (and I think it was a fair assumption) that these games would include their expansions. If I had known that it was going to be 'original games only' I would have just thought "meh" and left it at that.
GOG was right in mentioning that SS1 and SS2 were not going to be included. I haven't seen too many people complaining about that.
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hedwards: Honestly, we have all the information that they can give.
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Ssnake51: Maybe. But what it amounts to is no informaiton at all. No wonder people are dissaisfied with the response GOG gave. It smacks of a typical PR response.

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Personally, I think GOG blew it by not making it clear from the start that all of the EA games would be the original versions only and not include any expansions. They over-hyped this deal and a fair number of customers are more than a little peeved over this.
When I heard that it was down to EA or LA I was pretty excited because I assumed (and I think it was a fair assumption) that these games would include their expansions. If I had known that it was going to be 'original games only' I would have just thought "meh" and left it at that.
GOG was right in mentioning that SS1 and SS2 were not going to be included. I haven't seen too many people complaining about that.
1. That reponse is both shallow and pedantic....considering how nice gog has been to us and how fair they've been over the years.

2. You have only yourself to blame for letting your mind get carried away with itself and start building on assumptions.
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RatherDashing: It's not entirely unreasonable to say why you aren't buying something if it is an issue of something being missing or a matter of principle. It doesn't hurt anyone to say it, and in fact might bring attention to the issue not only to GOG, but to people who might be consideering these games. I for one almost bought Alpha Centurai, before the threads made note of the lack of expansions. That pushed it back into a Wait and See list for me, and I am personally glad the issue was brought up.
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hedwards: Perhaps, but I don't think we need to have so many threads where people are doing that. It's getting really repetitive and a lot of the information being used to push for a boycott and GOG being bad is based upon incorrect information and assumptions.

Were it one thread that was based upon some facts and realistic assumptions, I don't think people would be complaining as much about the bitching. But with the number of threads dedicated to it and the amount of misinformation being used, it's clearly time to call in the waaaambulance.
Overkill, maybe. But it isn't hurting people, and even with diminished value per repeat, it has some more worth than "lol shutup and just buy it already l0l" comments.

I personally don't have any assumptions, but it seems odd that all EA games so far have been expansion-less. It is somewhat troubling, and makes these fairly worthless for me. I don't think there is a problem with speculation inherently, and I don't think too many folks have speculated without making it clear that they were speculating. I woudl also like to note that bad information and poor speculation is occurring on the "other side", and many people are just ASSUMING the best when we don't have enough data to assume either the best OR the worst. We have nothing. That should be slightly troubling, even if having nothing can be explained reasonably.
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RatherDashing: I personally don't have any assumptions, but it seems odd that all EA games so far have been expansion-less. It is somewhat troubling, and makes these fairly worthless for me.
You have plenty of assumptions. Bad ones. Which is completely unwarranted given GOG's history. Like I said if you feel it's not worth it then don't buy it end of. People are calling for Boycott's on ALL EA games even though 2 games are 'complete' packages. It's typica internet hyperbole and it's annoying to see so many threads about it.
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hedwards: Perhaps, but I don't think we need to have so many threads where people are doing that. It's getting really repetitive and a lot of the information being used to push for a boycott and GOG being bad is based upon incorrect information and assumptions.

Were it one thread that was based upon some facts and realistic assumptions, I don't think people would be complaining as much about the bitching. But with the number of threads dedicated to it and the amount of misinformation being used, it's clearly time to call in the waaaambulance.
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RatherDashing: Overkill, maybe. But it isn't hurting people, and even with diminished value per repeat, it has some more worth than "lol shutup and just buy it already l0l" comments.

I personally don't have any assumptions, but it seems odd that all EA games so far have been expansion-less. It is somewhat troubling, and makes these fairly worthless for me. I don't think there is a problem with speculation inherently, and I don't think too many folks have speculated without making it clear that they were speculating. I woudl also like to note that bad information and poor speculation is occurring on the "other side", and many people are just ASSUMING the best when we don't have enough data to assume either the best OR the worst. We have nothing. That should be slightly troubling, even if having nothing can be explained reasonably.
No, it's annoying...and we said buy or don't, just shut up...not buy and shut up.

Stop being an apologist and a "speculator" already....we don't care and don't want to hear it anymore.

From now on all such posts will be rated down into obscurity...sorry but I can't take it anymore.
Post edited June 11, 2011 by GameRager
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Delixe: ]
You have plenty of assumptions. Bad ones. Which is completely unwarranted given GOG's history.
What assumptions have I made, and why are they wrong? I don't believe I've made any, so I'd like to hear your opinions on the matter, because you haven't adequately expressed them.

What information we have:

FACT: No EA game that had expansion packs currently is being sold with those expansions.
FACT: GOG is aware of the issue.
FACT: GOG's responses on the issue have been vague

Now, "their responses have been vague" isn't an insult or an accusation. They may HAVE to be vague. But whether or not they have to doesn't change whether or not they have been.

A boycott on all of EA's games is reasonable. Even if they have good reasons for not releasing the expansions right now, that's not really the point. Malicious or not, the end result for the consumer is the same, so as a practical concern the situation is identical. A boycott is reasonable because it sends a clear message that they should get this issue solved. You don't have to assume anyone is doing anything maliciously to want to say that.
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Delixe: ]
You have plenty of assumptions. Bad ones. Which is completely unwarranted given GOG's history.
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RatherDashing: What assumptions have I made, and why are they wrong? I don't believe I've made any, so I'd like to hear your opinions on the matter, because you haven't adequately expressed them.

What information we have:

FACT: No EA game that had expansion packs currently is being sold with those expansions.
FACT: GOG is aware of the issue.
FACT: GOG's responses on the issue have been vague

Now, "their responses have been vague" isn't an insult or an accusation. They may HAVE to be vague. But whether or not they have to doesn't change whether or not they have been.

A boycott on all of EA's games is reasonable. Even if they have good reasons for not releasing the expansions right now, that's not really the point. Malicious or not, the end result for the consumer is the same, so as a practical concern the situation is identical. A boycott is reasonable because it sends a clear message that they should get this issue solved. You don't have to assume anyone is doing anything maliciously to want to say that.
Fact: You're assuming that Gog has been nice to us up until now but that now that EA's on board they will or have already become tainted, and that they are being dishonest/rude to us by not answering you with specific answers.....even if they can't legally.

Fact: They've replied to us, and the reply was a good one...but not one you like personally because they aren't up to your specifications for an "answer". So you feel justified in arguing here instead of through PM to gog/email to EA/etc.....or other reasonable, non attention getting channels.

P.S. By advocating a boycott after years of wanting EA to come to gog over such petty things you are basically putting the proverbial foot in your own mouth. Gog has given an answer, and while you haven't outright said it in your mind you feel betrayed by gog and want to lash out......if only this were worth lashing out for.
Post edited June 11, 2011 by GameRager
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mistermumbles: Oh, I'm totally in! Silly people and their "Only $6 for a game? Without the expansion? No sale!". Get a grip. Especially something like Alpha Centauri is a superb game, with or without expansion.
that will come as a dlc ;p
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mistermumbles: Oh, I'm totally in! Silly people and their "Only $6 for a game? Without the expansion? No sale!". Get a grip. Especially something like Alpha Centauri is a superb game, with or without expansion.
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hercufles: that will come as a dlc ;p
It better not....or i'll start kicking ass and chewing gum, and i'm all outta gum.