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Posted December 01, 2011
http://www.americablog.com/2011/11/ag-holder-asks-americans-to-report-ip.html
Orwellian much?
Posted December 01, 2011
This "fink on your neighbor" stuff is showing up more and more in the USA levels of government. It's already at the "very creepy" level. Orwellian? Yep.
Posted December 01, 2011
"stop those who would exploit the ingenuity of others for monetary gain"

Seriously, on what fucking planet does that seem normal.

Urk, Urk, Gurf copied my fire, my idea, kill him!

Seriously, wtf?
Posted December 02, 2011
If massive violent riots break out then the molotov cocktail industry will boom, the nation's energy usage will eventually go down, and after all that the current economic crisis will seem like a distant memory. See, they do care about us. They are just more clever than we thought.
Posted December 02, 2011
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Posted December 02, 2011
we are being more spied on and watched on then most might think.
from your internet to the streets you live in with cameras
Posted December 02, 2011
Well I'll start my, informing on my neighbors by saying. I honestly don't give a DAMN WHAT THEY DO.
Posted December 02, 2011
Just on a side of all this: Polish prosecutors have said recently that wiretaps on mobile phones are used not only to record conversations. The wire works even when the phone is turned off and it's still recording everything around it. So basically, if you have tap on your phone, they record EVERYTHING, not only the conversation.

Add to this that in Polish law there is no "fruits from poisonous tree" rule, and you are pretty much screwed/

Also, Poland has won the competition "most invigilated citizens in European Union" latelty. Polish authorities are invigilating you even in divorce cases or alimony cases (checking billing records, tapping the phone, tracking your location by your phone etc etc)

How f---d is that?

The world we live in is becoming pretty much Orwellian. Just see what they did with Gadhafi. Year ago eastern leaders were shaking his hand, inviting him over for diplomatic dinners and just couple months later
We are at war with Libya. We were always at war with Libya

Next target: Iran.
Posted December 02, 2011
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keeveek: Just on a side of all this: Polish prosecutors have said recently that wiretaps on mobile phones are used not only to record conversations. The wire works even when the phone is turned off and it's still recording everything around it. So basically, if you have tap on your phone, they record EVERYTHING, not only the conversation.

Add to this that in Polish law there is no "fruits from poisonous tree" rule, and you are pretty much screwed/

Also, Poland has won the competition "most invigilated citizens in European Union" latelty. Polish authorities are invigilating you even in divorce cases or alimony cases (checking billing records, tapping the phone, tracking your location by your phone etc etc)

How f---d is that?

The world we live in is becoming pretty much Orwellian. Just see what they did with Gadhafi. Year ago eastern leaders were shaking his hand, inviting him over for diplomatic dinners and just couple months later
We are at war with Libya. We were always at war with Libya

Next target: Iran.
Considering that we have so many damn corruption scandals happening every month, no wonder people are walking around and recording each other.
Posted December 02, 2011
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keeveek: Just see what they did with Gadhafi. Year ago eastern leaders were shaking his hand, inviting him over for diplomatic dinners and just couple months later
We are at war with Libya. We were always at war with Libya
A little off-topic, but I think he more or less had it coming to him given some of his actions leading up to his death. A trial would have been better, though.

He might have gained something from Western political realism for a period. Regardless, he chose to do what he did and was caught up by the consequences.
Posted December 02, 2011
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keeveek: Just on a side of all this: Polish prosecutors have said recently that wiretaps on mobile phones are used not only to record conversations. The wire works even when the phone is turned off and it's still recording everything around it.
Just a little note from a technology perspective: if your phone is actually off, "they" can't pull anything except your location from it. In order to record, you'd have to turn your phone on, or have it done remotely. Which, of course, can be done.

But if your phone is actually off, nobody's recording from it unless there's a separate device that's been installed in the phone. And like any electronic system, if somebody has access to do that, they have access to do everything.
Posted December 02, 2011
I feel one poster from the movie 'Brazil' (1985) is highly appropriate for this discussion.
http://img2.etsystatic.com/il_570xN.137420562.jpg
Few more from scenes in the movie here:
Posted December 02, 2011
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Primate: A little off-topic, but I think he more or less had it coming to him given some of his actions leading up to his death. A trial would have been better, though.

He might have gained something from Western political realism for a period. Regardless, he chose to do what he did and was caught up by the consequences.
Of course! But he was doing it for a long , long time, not only past few months. And before war on Gadhafis regime, eastern politicians couldn't care less about Libyan citizens.

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Primate: But if your phone is actually off, nobody's recording from it unless there's a separate device that's been installed in the phone. And like any electronic system, if somebody has access to do that, they have access to do everything.
They said when the phone is turned off, the tap is still using energy from the battery and it's recording everything in range. I don't know what kind of device is this, though (if it uses phone's mic or it has it's own)
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Posted December 02, 2011
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keeveek: Of course! But he was doing it for a long , long time, not only past few months. And before war on Gadhafis regime, eastern politicians couldn't care less about Libyan citizens.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess that a number of factors have played into it over the years. I think political realism is a normal part of politics whether one likes it or not.
I haven't studied e.g. the West and its history with Libya very closely, but I have the impression that things were relatively uneasy from the 1980s (Operation El Dorado Canyon, Lockerbie, aerial engagements) until things began to soften up with the WMD case in 2002-2003 (?). The escalation in recent times got serious enough to trigger a new conflict. Some say double standards and so on, but I don't see a reason to agree with that. The situation may have called for an intervention (the UN and some other parties certainly did), and a coalition (later NATO plus some Arab League members) was able to respond.
Post edited December 02, 2011 by Primate
Posted December 02, 2011
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keeveek: Just on a side of all this: Polish prosecutors have said recently that wiretaps on mobile phones are used not only to record conversations. The wire works even when the phone is turned off and it's still recording everything around it.
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OneFiercePuppy: Just a little note from a technology perspective: if your phone is actually off, "they" can't pull anything except your location from it. In order to record, you'd have to turn your phone on, or have it done remotely. Which, of course, can be done.

But if your phone is actually off, nobody's recording from it unless there's a separate device that's been installed in the phone. And like any electronic system, if somebody has access to do that, they have access to do everything.
You're technically correct but you're misleading people. They can make your phone look like it's off when it's actually on. To be sure you must remove the battery (or just bend over and take it if you have an iPhone I guess).
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