Neobr10: No, the tablet comes bundled with the console even in the basic package. And spare tablet controllers won't even be sold in the US, according to Nintendo of America (although this will change in the future when games with support for 2 tablets are released).

orcishgamer: Actually, I'm sort of with SV on this, to me the last innovative Mario game was Galaxies and we haven't had a game changing Zelda game since Ocarina (playing Ocarina right next to any other Zelda game reminds you that they really haven't added much new, though I did love the art style departure in Windwaker and wish they'd actually have the balls to do that kind of thing more often).

Nintendo is downright dull in the living room, to me, I seriously wonder how long they can recycle old stuff and play the nostalgia card, because to me the games do actually feel the same.



Mass Effect actually did evolve their mechanics between games, I'm not sure I liked all the changes, but they did actually make some. Gears is just boring, even the first one lost its shine years ago, God of War and 2 are largely the same, Uncharted dunno... I guess the point is most of these franchises haven't been around for 3 decades, but Nintendo's franchises have. Many of them haven't had a game-changer title since the Gamecube, which is a bit sad.

Some are still fun, sure, but they do all kind of blur together for me.

orcishgamer: I think Zelda games are often used to hype new features of Nintendo consoles and they often don't live up to expectations (e.g. swinging the Wii-mote as your sword in Twilight Princess turned out to be way less cool and interactive than promised, as waggling the Wii-mote any which way would achieve the same result). Also, big dungeons don't mean they'll be awesome, the sea in Windwaker was big as hell, after all, and how fun was that? Exactly.

I would like to see a new, exciting Zelda titles but I'm not sold that this will be anything special, the hype machine always revs up with Zelda news for any hardware launch Nintendo does and more often than not it turns out "meh" and that's being a tad kind.

Elmofongo: by new things meaning turn zelda into a party based rpg?

EDIT: i rather explore a bigger hyrule and dungeons but the sea in windwaker was ok imo made it more adventurous

orcishgamer: Come on, dude, you know what I mean (though side-games are fair game, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon isn't exactly the main event, but they're good, why don't we get side games on living room consoles, exactly?).

How about a Zelda that turns the story on its head? What if you spent half the game playing Princess Zelda, instead of her simply being a prop to move the story along? What if it wasn't Ganon for once? Hell, what if Link had a god damned personality for once?

Elmofongo: making link talk is like revealing master chiefs face

oh and there was a you play as zelda game....and it was terrible, but your right they should make more zelda spin-offs

and in skyward sword there is no ganon

gameon: The only thing that let that game down was the damn sailing. The wind changed way too often!

orcishgamer: Hell, what if Link had a god damned personality for once?

Neobr10: Gordon Freeman doesn't talk either, does he? Thats how these characters are supposed to be.

orcishgamer: Actually, I'm sort of with SV on this, to me the last innovative Mario game was Galaxies and we haven't had a game changing Zelda game since Ocarina

orcishgamer: Gordon Freeman had 100 times more personality than Link

Neobr10: Really? What about Windwaker and the sailing gameplay? What about the train thing in Spirit Tracks? What about turning into a wolf in Twilight Princess? What do you want? A party turn based RPG like Bauldur's Gate? A FPS? Sorry, this won't ever happen.

Maybe they should make something that goes back to Zelda's roots with a top-down view game like 4 Swords.
Neobr10: No way.

Neobr10: Oh yeah? Then tell me one modern franchise that keeps changing as much as Mario or Zelda.

You gotta hate COD, Halo, Gears of War, God of War, Mass Effect, Uncharted, and all the others, because these games are the same every time. Nintendo is the only big developer to dare to bring innovations to their franchises. And sometimes they get criticized for doing so (remember all the hate Nintendo got with Windwaker's cel-shaded style?).

Neobr10: No way.