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Tormentfan: The US deserve everything they get..... the fascism makes me sick.
Yeah, because the United Kingdom totally doesn't ban people from entering their territories either (like the ever so dangerous Martha Stewart!).
My fiancee was very nearly turned away at UK customs because she didn't have my phone number or address to hand (they were both on her laptop - which they refused to let her switch on).

And it's worth clarifying (another example of shitty journalism from the tabloids) that they're not 'banned' from the US. They've even been explicitly told they can reapply for a visa to re-enter.
Post edited January 31, 2012 by Gremmi
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serpantino: The slang term 'destroy' isn't used by anyone I know... only people I've ever heard using it are the muppets who go out, get ridiculous, but the USA does tend to look stupid enough to the rest of the world, without pulling stunts like this.
So what?

Cogitationis poenam nemo patitur - nobody is to blame for thoughts. You cannot punish anybody for unlawful thinking.

Even if he thought about destroying america, he did nothing to do so.

Another 2 000 years old roman law rule threw to garbage by United States.
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Tormentfan: The US deserve everything they get..... the fascism makes me sick.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: Yeah, because the United Kingdom totally doesn't ban people from entering their territories either (like the ever so dangerous Martha Stewart!).
Well, she is a felon ;-P! Most western countries are very strict when it comes to visa. Europe is a freaking fortress. I never noticed it really, as an EU passport is basically an AAA card. But I did some auxiliary work for the german embassy in a non-EU country. 95% of the visa applications were turned down.

Edit: Relevant picture ;-)
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Post edited January 31, 2012 by SimonG
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keeveek: Another 2 000 years old roman law rule threw to garbage by United States.
LOL ahhh yes The Roman Empire, the most incorrupt government in history, who's strict adherence to their noble laws should be a beacon of light to the modern world.
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SimonG: Well, she is a felon ;-P! Most western countries are very strict when it comes to visa. Europe is a freaking fortress. I never noticed it really, as an EU passport is basically an AAA card. But I did some auxiliary work for the german embassy in a non-EU country. 95% of the visa applications were turned down.

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Snoop Dogg being another one of the people banned from entering the UK (although he was later allowed entry).

Pablo Neruda was also banned from entering the UK (damn Communists!)

As was Paul Robeson (how dare he support worker's rights!).

My point is - neither the US (we revoked Robeson's passport) nor the UK has the upper hand, and it's pointless to throw stones. This post wasn't as much a response to you (I realize you were speaking in jest), but against the guy who was suggesting that the "US deserve everything they get".
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stonebro: What I want to know his, how the fuck did they know?
Assuming he uses his real name on Twitter, they could have found out easily. Absolutely everything regarding Facebook and Twitter is being scanned by the US.
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Tormentfan: The US deserve everything they get..... the fascism makes me sick.
enjoy being on camera 300 times a day.

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SimonG: Edit: Relevant picture ;-)
aren't they both convicted felons?

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serpantino: LOL ahhh yes The Roman Empire, the most incorrupt government in history, who's strict adherence to their noble laws should be a beacon of light to the modern world.
the Roman code of law is the foundation of our Western law system...
Post edited January 31, 2012 by Fred_DM
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serpantino: LOL ahhh yes The Roman Empire, the most incorrupt government in history, who's strict adherence to their noble laws should be a beacon of light to the modern world.
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Fred_DM: the Roman code of law is the foundation of our Western law system...
I know that. My point is that it doesn't mean a thing... it's a collection of ideals that are only called upon when those at the top want to.
You really have to be an imbecile for using this phrasing in a flight to the US or in an airport. You should know better that since 9/11 authorities are ultra touchy and paranoid about that.
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Fred_DM: aren't they both convicted felons?
Why, only because he's black?

*trollface*

Snoop only had some minor drug charges, nothing in the range of a felony.
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serpantino: I know that. My point is that it doesn't mean a thing... it's a collection of ideals that are only called upon when those at the top want to.
You obviously don't know that. The point is that most of our current law system is directly derived from roman law. I'm not talking about any "ideals" but simple transactions like buying your bagel each morning.

There is hardly any legal action that isn't somewhat derived from roman law. While roman law itself is no longer used for law interpretation (well, at least here) it remains highly significant.
Post edited January 31, 2012 by SimonG
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SimonG: Why, only because he's black?

*trollface*

Snoop only had some minor drug charges, nothing in the range of a felony.
hehe. i don't know about felonies but the guy has a rap sheet as long as my arm. he's obviously a drug user and a black man. there. i said it.

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SimonG: You obviously don't know that. The point is that most of our current law system is directly derived from roman law. I'm not talking about any "ideals" but simple transactions like buying your bagel each morning.

There is hardly any legal action that isn't somewhat derived from roman law. While roman law itself is no longer used for law interpretation (well, at least here) it remains highly significant.
i don't know for sure, but i belive that law students study Roman law still today as part of their curriculum. not that i would have attended such a congregation of shysters...
Post edited January 31, 2012 by Fred_DM
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Fred_DM: i don't know for sure, but i belive that law students study Roman law still today as part of their curriculum. at least i remember coming across some lectures on Roman law aimed at law students at my university.
In Germany it isn't mandatory per se. But you need somehing called a "basics class"/ "Grundlagenschein" (you are from german speaking Switzerland I presume?). This can be done in several topics. Most of them are about law history. During my time, there were six courses for that "basic class" available. Two of them were about Roman Law. So, you don't have to, but it is in option that helps you to advance. Other universities often have "basic law history classes" that are mandatory and also cover roman law.

And stuff like "culpa in contrahendo" is usual law lingo here.

Edit: I didn't take roman law ;-P, I had "constitutional law of the modern times". I fucking hate latin.
Post edited January 31, 2012 by SimonG
Roman law is mandatory on law studies here. First or second year, depending on a university.

Also, we have to study World's history of law and state on the first year. 2 000 pages to discourage people from being a lawyer in future :P

In fact, modern civil law is in many cases almost directly connected to roman law. criminal law, not so much. Most latin proverbs connected to criminal law are medieval or even from XVII-XIX century.
Post edited January 31, 2012 by keeveek
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Tormentfan: The US deserve everything they get..... the fascism makes me sick.
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Fred_DM: enjoy being on camera 300 times a day.

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SimonG: Edit: Relevant picture ;-)
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Fred_DM: aren't they both convicted felons?

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serpantino: LOL ahhh yes The Roman Empire, the most incorrupt government in history, who's strict adherence to their noble laws should be a beacon of light to the modern world.
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Fred_DM: the Roman code of law is the foundation of our Western law system...
Not in common law countries ;)

Most of the former Empire (with notable exceptions like Scotland and Louisiana) uses "common law", the roots and basic principles of which go back to Henry II, Alfred the Great, and Saxon customary law.