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OutOfTimer: I'm also concerned about their planned release of The Witcher 2. Judging by the way they handle PR, the whole situation might backfire. It's obvious people will pirate it like hell just like they did with World of Goo.
I see this as an interesting experiment if nothing else. The game is going to be pirated anyhow, but I hope somehow this sheds some light in to how and where the game gets pirated, i.e., is it going to be the GOG version that ends up on trackers, or is it going to be a "cracked" version that included DRM (for the record, I'll be buying the game eventually, but almost certainly not from GOG).

But yes, I agree the teasing of an announcement which was just to announce that one new publisher is definitely coming and two others might, but then not saying who, was a complete waste of time.

But if you want to avoid such annoyances all together, you'll probably also have to avoid this forum and not just the front page.
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bansama: I see this as an interesting experiment if nothing else. The game is going to be pirated anyhow, but I hope somehow this sheds some light in to how and where the game gets pirated, i.e., is it going to be the GOG version that ends up on trackers, or is it going to be a "cracked" version that included DRM (for the record, I'll be buying the game eventually, but almost certainly not from GOG).
I agree with you about this being an interesting experiment. My suspicion is that it's going to depend upon what gets leaked first, given the size of the GOG staff, I think it'll be the DRM version.

As to which version will be the primary copy pirated, I don't know.
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El_Caz: I think the subject is worth a little discussion, namely the "game getting pirated as hell". What's the really big difference between a DRMed game hitting torrent sites and a not DRMed one?
Very good point. It doesn't matter if the game has DRM on it or not, it will be pirated all the same - namely "as hell." LOL The problem is, however, that if the game doesn't have DRM, all piracy will surely be attributed to this very fact. This is how the corporate world works. I know it, you know it, but the corporate world chooses to ignore it - just like they ignore X-Box piracy. Everyone talks about PC piracy even though the consoles are no different. I have no idea how to explain it besides assuming some sort of agenda.

By the way, I wonder what you guys think about the following scenario. Imagine that you're a kid who doesn't have much money and is simply bored. You don't know much about computers either. Wouldn't you pirate the game just for the sake of it because of how easy it is? With no DRM there's no risk of getting a virus or any need to even search for a crack. DRM is designed to stop stupid people and lack of DRM invites these stupid people to just give a copy of the game to their friend. I have a strange feeling that GOG is actually inviting people to pirate The Witcher 2. I know it sounds counter intuitive but think about it - DRM only stops morons. Maybe they want kids to pirate the game?
Post edited April 17, 2011 by OutOfTimer
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OutOfTimer: I'm also concerned about their planned release of The Witcher 2. Judging by the way they handle PR, the whole situation might backfire. It's obvious people will pirate it like hell just like they did with World of Goo. This might significantly hinder GOG's efforts to sign any publishers already opposed to DRM-free games. I, for one, believe GOG will make a joke of itself - especially if they think it's possible to seek compensation through extorting money from old ladies and children using the court system. They're not the first company to attempt that.

Any thoughts on avoiding frustration?
I really do no foresee any sort of major blunder with all this. To me, I could care less about piracy. It is going to get pirated with DRM or without. I feel the more important focus is how many people are willing to purchase into this model and support it. Does offering a DRM free alternative, with a ton of extras, make for a massive difference in sales? If so, this will be fantastic for the PC industry and gamers. If not, we will just go back to more of the same with DRM loaded titles.

As for avoiding frustration, we just need to tame our wild imaginations rather than avoid the main page. They teased us, we dreamed big, and we did not quite get what we were after. A big publisher is signed though and a few dozen more games are on the way, so that is all I care about. Can't wait to see which ones.

The broken English comment is uncalled for though. GOG and CD Projekt are Polish companies, and their English is definitely better than my Polish. I will gladly overlook some minor errors. If we want to get nitpicky, maybe can look at Valve, an American company who their own Steam Guard error message during the reveal presentation. Or how about the previous [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEB0H90lt_M&feature=player_embedded]Call of Duty trailer that cannot even spell the word intelligence? I am more concerned about that than a non-English company making a few errors.
Post edited April 17, 2011 by Kurina
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OutOfTimer: I'm also concerned about their planned release of The Witcher 2. Judging by the way they handle PR, the whole situation might backfire. It's obvious people will pirate it like hell just like they did with World of Goo. This might significantly hinder GOG's efforts to sign any publishers already opposed to DRM-free games. I, for one, believe GOG will make a joke of itself - especially if they think it's possible to seek compensation through extorting money from old ladies and children using the court system. They're not the first company to attempt that.

Any thoughts on avoiding frustration?
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Kurina: I really do no foresee any sort of major blunder with all this. To me, I could care less about piracy. It is going to get pirated with DRM or without. I feel the more important focus is how many people are willing to purchase into this model and support it. Does offering a DRM free alternative, with a ton of extras, make for a massive difference in sales? If so, this will be fantastic for the PC industry and gamers. If not, we will just go back to more of the same with DRM loaded titles.

As for avoiding frustration, we just need to tame our wild imaginations rather than avoid the main page. They teased us, we dreamed big, and we did not quite get what we were after. A big publisher is signed though and a few dozen more games are on the way, so that is all I care about. Can't wait to see which ones.

The broken English comment is uncalled for though. GOG and CD Projekt are Polish companies, and their English is definitely better than my Polish. I will gladly overlook some minor errors. If we want to get nitpicky, maybe can look at Valve, an American company who their own Steam Guard error message during the reveal presentation. Or how about the previous [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEB0H90lt_M&feature=player_embedded]Call of Duty trailer that cannot even spell the word intelligence? I am more concerned about that than a non-English company making a few errors.
I was going to post a reply, but this pretty much sums up my thoughts. :)
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Kurina: Does offering a DRM free alternative, with a ton of extras, make for a massive difference in sales?
The problem though is with the fact that GOG are also offering up extras not available elsewhere. As such, it's no longer possible to ascertain whether any potential difference was down to the DRM decision or simply due to people wanting those extras.

It would have been better if the only difference between each version had been the inclusion of DRM. That would have made the whole situation far more interesting as far as I'm concerned. So as it is, I'm only really interested in which version is going to be pirated and not which version sells the most (I think it's a safe bet that as far as digital is concerned, that'll be Steam anyway).
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Kurina: Does offering a DRM free alternative, with a ton of extras, make for a massive difference in sales?
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bansama: The problem though is with the fact that GOG are also offering up extras not available elsewhere. As such, it's no longer possible to ascertain whether any potential difference was down to the DRM decision or simply due to people wanting those extras.

It would have been better if the only difference between each version had been the inclusion of DRM. That would have made the whole situation far more interesting as far as I'm concerned. So as it is, I'm only really interested in which version is going to be pirated and not which version sells the most (I think it's a safe bet that as far as digital is concerned, that'll be Steam anyway).
I understand what you are referring to in regards to keeping the differences minimal, as that would be the more scientific way to handle it. However, in the end, I believe that is all part of the experiment. This is just speculation on my part, but I believe CD Projekt is trying to prove that if you release a real product and put a lot of effort into it, that the fans will return the favor and take care of them. Most publishers release half-assed ports with minimal effort, frustrating gamers and creating tension instead of loyalty. I believe GOG wants to show that DRM-free is viable if you put the effort in delivering a high value product, full of bonuses and goodies, much akin to older games. Not to mention, all these extras without the raising the price tag.
Post edited April 17, 2011 by Kurina
My opinion:

The Witcher 2 from GOG will have the installer package. BAM. Free advertising for GOG itself. And IMHO I would torrent the GOG file instead of the DRM infested one, if only because I would know it would only require a download, double click and install to enjoy the game.

BAM. Another plus for GOG.

And yes, I do believe they are actually inviting people to "pirate" the game. No matter what happens, GOG wins. And the community here is classy and mature enough to be able to handle the influx of "little shits" that will come here - give it a few months of OMG LOL I HAXORED THIS GAME FUCK YOU GUYS LOL YOU RETARDS and they will simply move on if we keep a grip. Hopefully the good ones will stay.

In fact, I think it's brilliant. And yes, I'm buying Witcher 2 on launch at full price from GOG.

So, there you go. My opinion.
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Kurina: Does offering a DRM free alternative, with a ton of extras, make for a massive difference in sales?
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bansama: The problem though is with the fact that GOG are also offering up extras not available elsewhere. As such, it's no longer possible to ascertain whether any potential difference was down to the DRM decision or simply due to people wanting those extras.

It would have been better if the only difference between each version had been the inclusion of DRM. That would have made the whole situation far more interesting as far as I'm concerned. So as it is, I'm only really interested in which version is going to be pirated and not which version sells the most (I think it's a safe bet that as far as digital is concerned, that'll be Steam anyway).
Well it you really wanted to keep everything the same, then the site should be the same as well. In other words, sell both the drm and drm-free versions on the same site, for the same price, with all of the same extras, right next to each other, and see which one gets bought more. ;)
Post edited April 17, 2011 by Soralin
Am I the only one expecting the GOG version to get pirated by those who bought it and want a DRM-free version? I mean, that would skew the "numbers", surely? If for every sale you have 2 pirated versions but a quarter of those pirated versions are people actually just getting a DRM free version, then the real figure would be 1:1.5.
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hedwards: I agree with you about this being an interesting experiment. My suspicion is that it's going to depend upon what gets leaked first, given the size of the GOG staff, I think it'll be the DRM version.

As to which version will be the primary copy pirated, I don't know.
An interesting possibility would be if they deliberately leaked the DRM version first to skew the numbers.
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Poulscath: An interesting possibility would be if they deliberately leaked the DRM version first to skew the numbers.
Well, the first leaks will be from retail disks, as they are shipped a few days before the release date. And they will have DRM. So, in a way, they a deliberately leaking the DRM version earlier ;-) ...
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OutOfTimer: One thing I learned over the years is that it's much more efficient not to read too much about the upcoming releases of any entertainment media. They're still there long after release and if anything, they cost a lot less. I hate it when a company teases a product for months and then delivers a half-baked piece of trash (or like in our case, makes an announcement of an announcement). No company, however, takes this overhyped rhetoric to the appalling level used by GOG. The broken English they deliver it in is the icing on the cake.

I thought about all this for the past two days and decided that the only way to avoid GOG's tactics is to stop reading the front page news for a couple of months. I wonder if anyone else came to a similar conclusion.

I'm also concerned about their planned release of The Witcher 2. Judging by the way they handle PR, the whole situation might backfire. It's obvious people will pirate it like hell just like they did with World of Goo. This might significantly hinder GOG's efforts to sign any publishers already opposed to DRM-free games. I, for one, believe GOG will make a joke of itself - especially if they think it's possible to seek compensation through extorting money from old ladies and children using the court system. They're not the first company to attempt that.

Any thoughts on avoiding frustration?
From what I know GoG is one of the only companies I know to have frustrating business practices/tactics. I mean yeah there are some companies out there that just seem plain evil like Activision or more lately Square Enix and EA, but GoG as a business is just frustrating as hell sometimes and I'm tired of these games. lol, these games.

As much as I love GoG and what they do with old games, maybe there's a reason Poland isn't a world superpower and the USA is. :P
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OutOfTimer: I'm also concerned about their planned release of The Witcher 2. Judging by the way they handle PR, the whole situation might backfire. It's obvious people will pirate it like hell just like they did with World of Goo. This might significantly hinder GOG's efforts to sign any publishers already opposed to DRM-free games. I, for one, believe GOG will make a joke of itself - especially if they think it's possible to seek compensation through extorting money from old ladies and children using the court system. They're not the first company to attempt that.
Actually I don't think that CDP are taking any risk there, more a calculated bet. IF CDP was releasing ALL version of Witcher 2 DRM-free then they would be taken a much bigger risk.

What will happen here... yes of course the game will be pirated to hell and back I don't have a single doubt about that, but the important thing is that it will be AFTER the official release date, at worse releasing a DRM-free version will means that the game will be on torrent site 20 minutes after release instead of being on it 4-6 hours after release like it is with a "normal" release which is not going to change that much.

So in the end it's more a win-win for situation for them, one one side they release a DRM-free version which will please the DRM-free fanatics (like me) but on the other side as the retail version of the game has release date check DRM they also protect themself from pre-release date leak.
Post edited April 17, 2011 by Gersen
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thelovebat: As much as I love GoG and what they do with old games, maybe there's a reason Poland isn't a world superpower and the USA is. :P
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Damuna: I think you'll find that has something to do with being abandoned by their allies after World War II despite contributing significantly to the war effort, allowing them to be handed from a genocidal state that decimated their population to one that wasn't a whole lot better, denying them the democracy they helped fight for for more than four decades. Not very funny, really.
I wasn't talking about WWII man. I would never make jokes about that or the holocaust.