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I'm relieved that, in the future, we can all go back and play these classics again and again.
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StingingVelvet: Games are my movies, my theater, whatever. Just as I watch Blade Runner every year I want to play Fallout every year or so, or Duke Nukem.
Seriously, thanks! I was eating this cookie, and pondering what the hell I was going to do tonight. *inserts Blade Runner Blu Ray*
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Metro09: I'm relieved that, in the future, we can all go back and play these classics again and again.
That is really really really... really really really disappointing to see.
I'm hoping that someday a publisher will pull it's head out of it's ass and stop chasing the EQ (then) and WoW (present) rainbow.

It seems the MMO genre is the only genre that is nothing BUT copycats in terms of all the AAA backed mmo's.

It's said because imagine all the things that mmo-s would be fun with. Did no one play WWIIonline or planetside? Having a new mmo, that actually looks new and works as good as currnet fps/wargames (that was WWIIonline's biggest fault, the infantry combat was horrible) along with depth and things to play for would be so amazing.

Think of a medieval war game, where you can fight over the entire part of Europe, joining a faction and rising to lord/king of it and having REAL time battles of real peple, no npc's, no AI, just an entire battlefield of a couple hundred real life players.

Imagine a sci fi mmo where you can pilot a ship with other REAL people working inside it, where you play al character on the ship and not the ship itself. Where you can land on planets from space and not simply through loading screens.

That IS possible today with technology, however int he mmo genre poeple just don't want to "risk" that kind of thing. Everything for the most part follows the tried and true EQ style formula (including WoW) and are content with it. Meanwhile many of us have left the mmo market behind because we are so damned BORED with playing the same game over and over just dressed up in a new skin.

I long for the day when we get mmo's that aren't RPGS or set in fantasy worlds.
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StingingVelvet: I was reading a new article on Star Wars: The Old Republic in PC Gamer this morning. Along with a video of it I recently watched it really got me excited for the game from mainly a story and singleplayer point of view. The henchmen have stories and make soloing completely viable, every quest has spoken dialogue and cinematic moments, etc. etc.

My main issue though is one day TOR will die. There are a lot of creative people making a story, artistic planets and fun quests and one day all of it will be completely unplayable. Look at The Matrix Online, look at Tabula Rasa. Am I the only person who obsessed over the idea of buying TOR and loving it and then one day having it become completely unplayable? Am I the only person that thinks that is completely insane?

On a site that focuses on reviving and preserving gaming history I hope I can find some others who share my weird concerns. It literally makes me not want to play MMOs at all, knowing one day that experience will die completely. Imagine not being able to play Baldur's Gate today... imagine that experience being dead and gone forever.
I think the exact same way and its the number one reason that I don't invest in online only games because one day those servers are going to be down and the game is going to be useless.
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StingingVelvet: I was reading a new article on Star Wars: The Old Republic in PC Gamer this morning. Along with a video of it I recently watched it really got me excited for the game from mainly a story and singleplayer point of view. The henchmen have stories and make soloing completely viable, every quest has spoken dialogue and cinematic moments, etc. etc.

My main issue though is one day TOR will die. There are a lot of creative people making a story, artistic planets and fun quests and one day all of it will be completely unplayable. Look at The Matrix Online, look at Tabula Rasa. Am I the only person who obsessed over the idea of buying TOR and loving it and then one day having it become completely unplayable? Am I the only person that thinks that is completely insane?

On a site that focuses on reviving and preserving gaming history I hope I can find some others who share my weird concerns. It literally makes me not want to play MMOs at all, knowing one day that experience will die completely. Imagine not being able to play Baldur's Gate today... imagine that experience being dead and gone forever.
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carnival73: I think the exact same way and its the number one reason that I don't invest in online only games because one day those servers are going to be down and the game is going to be useless.
Ala Asheron's Call 2 sigh... still one of my favorite MMO's to date but was shut down because they didn't have enough people playing.
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Stiler: I long for the day when we get mmo's that aren't RPGS or set in fantasy worlds.
There are alternatives though : the awesome A tale in the desert which is a fascinating game as long as you like crafting, Ryzom that will take you to a peculiar and interesting world.
Post edited April 01, 2011 by Cambrey
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carnival73: I think the exact same way and its the number one reason that I don't invest in online only games because one day those servers are going to be down and the game is going to be useless.
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Arianus: Ala Asheron's Call 2 sigh... still one of my favorite MMO's to date but was shut down because they didn't have enough people playing.
Let's say you didn't purchase games very often, like maybe one every four months. You could probably get your money's worth from an MMO and that experience in time might welll be worth the price.

But I've got over forty games installed on my PC right now and this ADD thing going on where I'm only progressing fifteen minutes at a time through each one before it's onto the other so by the time I sat down with that MMO everyone would have stopped playing and the servers would be long gone.

These MMOs won't even be worth putting on GoG years from now.
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Stiler: I'm hoping that someday a publisher will pull it's head out of it's ass and stop chasing the EQ (then) and WoW (present) rainbow.

It seems the MMO genre is the only genre that is nothing BUT copycats in terms of all the AAA backed mmo's.

It's said because imagine all the things that mmo-s would be fun with. Did no one play WWIIonline or planetside? Having a new mmo, that actually looks new and works as good as currnet fps/wargames (that was WWIIonline's biggest fault, the infantry combat was horrible) along with depth and things to play for would be so amazing.

Think of a medieval war game, where you can fight over the entire part of Europe, joining a faction and rising to lord/king of it and having REAL time battles of real peple, no npc's, no AI, just an entire battlefield of a couple hundred real life players.

Imagine a sci fi mmo where you can pilot a ship with other REAL people working inside it, where you play al character on the ship and not the ship itself. Where you can land on planets from space and not simply through loading screens.

That IS possible today with technology, however int he mmo genre poeple just don't want to "risk" that kind of thing. Everything for the most part follows the tried and true EQ style formula (including WoW) and are content with it. Meanwhile many of us have left the mmo market behind because we are so damned BORED with playing the same game over and over just dressed up in a new skin.

I long for the day when we get mmo's that aren't RPGS or set in fantasy worlds.
I agree with much of this. Though I don't play MMOs myself, what you propose would be something I might be interested in. Some MMOs do indeed have elements of your description (you stated some yourself) and some still extant seem to be heading in these directions as they evolve (EvE as noted below). That said, eliminating AIs entirely seems a bit overkill. After all, one has to fill the volume of space - you are only going to have X number of gamers while in the MMO space, you're simulating populations, militaries, etc... that combined are potentially far, far bigger than that with jobs that when playing a game you're not going to want to do because they won't be fun to play. In addition even AI soldiers or AIs in roles that could be filled by a human are not a bad thing as long as one can interact with them (to some degree) as though they are (almost) human players and not just effectively part of the environment.
Post edited April 01, 2011 by crazy_dave
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Stiler: I long for the day when we get mmo's that aren't RPGS or set in fantasy worlds.
EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE

EEEEve, Oh wonderful EvE...

EvE, Oh Wonderful EvE!

Play EvE!
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Stiler: I long for the day when we get mmo's that aren't RPGS or set in fantasy worlds.
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HoneyBakedHam: EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE

EEEEve, Oh wonderful EvE...

EvE, Oh Wonderful EvE!

Play EvE!
Last I checked, EVE was a RPG. However, there are MMOFPS games out there, such as PlanetSide, granted, I've never played it so i can't verify if it's any good or not.
I can see why people would be concerned about the results of the hard MMO work disappearing one day. I played WoW for around 4 years, but quit some time ago.

Still, the way I figure things, I'm going to die some day and lose everything. Compared to that, losing my MMO progress doesn't bother me. It's not like I'm raising a family or something, and there will always been plenty of other game experiences to enjoy.

...but hey, it is a lot of time spent and you do get rather fond of your characters and in-game friends, what with the memories you develop.
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HoneyBakedHam: EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE EvE

EEEEve, Oh wonderful EvE...

EvE, Oh Wonderful EvE!

Play EvE!
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Orryyrro: Last I checked, EVE was a RPG. However, there are MMOFPS games out there, such as PlanetSide, granted, I've never played it so i can't verify if it's any good or not.
Its actually not an RPG. I mean, yea, theres stats, but it's ship stats. And yea, theres leveling up, but it's done over time, rather than through gameplay.
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Orryyrro: Last I checked, EVE was a RPG. However, there are MMOFPS games out there, such as PlanetSide, granted, I've never played it so i can't verify if it's any good or not.
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ovoon: Its actually not an RPG. I mean, yea, theres stats, but it's ship stats. And yea, theres leveling up, but it's done over time, rather than through gameplay.
that doesn't make it not an RPG....
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StingingVelvet: On a site that focuses on reviving and preserving gaming history I hope I can find some others who share my weird concerns. It literally makes me not want to play MMOs at all, knowing one day that experience will die completely. Imagine not being able to play Baldur's Gate today... imagine that experience being dead and gone forever.
This is why I don't do MMO.

Although Star Wars: The Old Republic is the first MMO that really looks interesting, maybe because it reminds me of KOTOR.

I'd also really like to see Dark Sun Online Crimson Suns, but this was dead long before I even know it existed.