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cogadh: The problem is, we are the American organizations, banks, government, political parties, etc. you are accusing. We formed those organizations, we work at those banks, we elected those governments, we are members of those political parties and you only said "America" which refers to everyone here, not any one entity outside of the population. On top of that, you are horribly wrong. You want to see a fascist state, go back to WWII and visit Italy, that was a fascist state. You and I live in a utopia by comparison.

Some years ago an American explained that to me. It was basicly something like this: If You say "America", You mean the government, when you say "American[s]", You mean the People. So whenever the media said "America needs/wants/likes", it's not really about the people as such, and should not be taken as "they're talking about us".
So, since Tantrix said America...
But again, that's how i remember it.
Hopefully most of their bullshit invasive, controlling laws can be overcome with the right technology. I remember a while back the MI5 writing about how they don't want these kind of extreme-copyright laws to pass, because they know people will just start encrypting everything, and then their job because much more difficult.
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Centy: Well Torrents themselves aren't illegal and there's plenty that are perfectly legal and should be encouraged for distribution but sadly they get lumped in with copyrighted torrents and get smeared with the same brush.
I'm against these things because they require to deep monitoring to see what you are downloading and that's when it becomes freedom crushing.
I to lay a lot of the blame at America's feet and feel the anger but obviously it's irrational it just so happens American companies have the most money and loudest voices against piracy and to a point you as a people are more used to this kind of stuff than some of us in Europe.
Saying that in the UK we have to put up with something called the Digital Economy Bill which is arguably worse and much closer to being law than this. I download a lot via torrents but it's mostly legit music (Jamendo etc) and TV which isn't shown over here and well even if it was I don't own a TV. I buy all my games and any music I want. Movies sadly for these people I stream so they can't really stop that. It's worrying as a whole as the internet was started as a free expression unregulated creative technology and it's sad to see it every year go further towards serving the wallets of already rich and greedy awful people.

I agree with you totally!
You know what our main problem is?
Our educational system.
Its the lack of critical thinking thats the main issue. (You know? The ability to think for ourselves!)
Since its not promoted, people just aren't aware there is a problem!
I mean looking back at the curriculum I had as a child, its embarassing!
We are literally spoon-fed information! (No wonder most of my generation, are sex/relationship obsessed morons, they haven't discovered that there is a world beyond what they read in the magazines!) (I feel like the intelligent ape out of Skullmonkeys! XD EDIT: Jerry-O! Thats his name! :D)
Only when there are times of need, do the ignorant public finally, get there is an issue at hand!
The other main issue is our wealth gap. Its self-perpetuating! The rich, get the best education, therefore the best jobs.
They become the business men, the lawers, and the politicians, and they only look out for their own interests (to stay rich!).
EDIT: And anyone with a brain in the UK can clearly see it doesn't matter who to vote for in the election, as the two main parties are EXACTLY THE SAME!!
(Big shocker! I know! XD)
As for piracy, I know from personal experience, the only people who pirate are the ignorant, and kids who don't have a job, and can't get the game they want from their parents, (mostly because its not out yet for months in the UK, or their parents don't earn enough to keep up with their desires. You can call that selfish, but its not entirely their fault, as the industry itself is almost literally forcing a culture down these kids throats to BUY! BUY! BUY!, to get the latest stuff, or be behind and looked down on!)
Post edited March 25, 2010 by RetroVortex
Indeed, ACTA is scary stuff. I seem to remember the EU opposing parts of it though, specifically the "three strikes and you're out" approach to handling file sharing. (The proposition was to require ISPs to disconnect users who had been accused of piracy three times - no evidence necessary, just accusations)
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cogadh: You want to see a fascist state, go back to WWII and visit Italy, that was a fascist state. You and I live in a utopia by comparison.

You don't even have to go back to WWII. Italy today seems to be in a bad state.
I was waiting for one of you to say:These dam dirty apes they blew it all up.
Now to my plan.
Join with me humans of the world to overthrow your government.
Then after we are done i will rule as your new king of the world!
Its better to be rule over by a lawful evil lich that likes gaming then to be rule over by a lawful good paladin that hates gaming.
Post edited March 25, 2010 by uruk
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uruk: I was waiting for one of you to say:These dam dirty apes they blew it all up.
Now to my plan.
Join with me humans of the world to overthrow your government.
Then after we are done i will rule as your new king of the world!
Its better to be rule over by a lawful evil lich that likes gaming then to be rule over by a lawful good paladin that hates gaming.

You know? I might just take you up on that offer! XD
At least a dictator generally tends to get things done, than to stand around all day, arguing about it!
And at least you make your intentions clear! XD
i don't care
I am 100% behind this treaty/law, but only if they publicly kill the first dozen or so pirates. Nothing major, just a plain old noose,tree, and a video camera is fine :P. After the first few heads roll, so to speak, I bet piracy rates decrease a bit...
Seriously, I think anonymity is one of the biggest problems with the internet as it currently exists. Also, those that steal intellectual property, when it can be legally obtained elsewhere, piss me off, no matter what 'justification' they give.
I am sure I am in the minority, but my patience has been wearing thin about this for a while. Right now, as far as the Internet goes, the inmates are running the asylum; I see little harm in an outside regulatory agency existing to make sure existing laws are followed.
Of course, if the regulations become censorship, THEN I start to have big problems. But, that isn't at issue here, is it?
Post edited March 25, 2010 by Krypsyn
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Krypsyn: Seriously, I think anonymity is one of the biggest problems with the internet as it currently exists.

Then why don't you use your full name instead of a pseudonym on your forum profile? :P There will always be legitimate reasons to want to remain anonymous on the internet. For example, let's say I'm applying for a new job -- I might not want my prospective employer to be able to google my name and see everything I've ever written on all the web forums I've visited.
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Krypsyn: Also, those that infringe on intellectual property, when it can be legally obtained elsewhere, piss me off, no matter what 'justification' they give.

I'm sure that a lot of people can agree with that. But a system that requires no evidence and no due process before sentence is carried out does not seem like the answer to me.
It's part scary, part madly depressing how poorly this issue is being handled by lawmakers, and this isn't an exclusively American problem, although you do have the most bloated legal system in the world.
Basically, in the filesharing world, the suggested techniques for legal control are at about the same level as the witch hunts of the 15th century. Throw the witch in the water, and if she sinks like normal people, she's innocent. If she floats, she's clearly a witch and should be pitchforked.
It is basically the same idea when ISPs might not even need evidence of file sharing before cutting you off, or sending some kind of web sheriff after you.
Disgusting.
Innocent until proven guilty? Not when copyright infringement is involved! You could be the most obvious thief or murderer or rapist, but we'll still give you a fair trial, but them thar filthy pirates? Lock 'em all up first just to be sure!
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tor: Then why don't you use your full name instead of a pseudonym on your forum profile? :P There will always be legitimate reasons to want to remain anonymous on the internet. For example, let's say I'm applying for a new job -- I might not want my prospective employer to be able to google my name and see everything I've ever written on all the web forums I've visited.

I use "Krypsyn" (Or Marquis Krypsyn, or Krypsyn Draconian) everyplace I go. I am sure you can Google it and eventually find my information (though, some might be out of date). It was my handle as an admin of a MUD nearly 20 years ago, and I never felt the need to change it.
However, I was mainly referring to anonymity from governments and regulatory agencies. Though, I would LOVE to see some of the punks on the internet say some of the things I have seen straight to my face. There would be a few more bloody pulps in the world, I tell ya ;). One of my sigs, as a jokey warning, on a forum I moderated was: "Have car, have baseball bat, have your IP info, will travel."
Post edited March 25, 2010 by Krypsyn
As for a solution, I think there should be a system like this:
- If we're going to try to make our children act like adults, then give them the opportunity to work from the age of 12 or 13.
I'm sure a kid of that age, could perfectly be able to work as a till monkey at Tesco's
(I should know! I work there! XD)
I mean, the work we do is so much different in nature to the jobs kids had to do back in the industrial era.
To get this to work, obviously the way insurance is handled needs to be tweaked. (Treat employed children like adults. Same premuims ect...).
- Educate people about the effects of piracy
- Give constant offenders a polite suggestion, then a polite warning, then ban them temporarily a few times.
If they keep at it, then can one ban them until they can prove their mature enough to act responsibly.
No point in suing them, as nothing much is gained from it, (just scare mongering really).
- Get rid of DRM, but keep cd-keys (for online multiplayer games). (Programs like Steam can be an exception, as the service offered is comparable to the DRM implemented)
Programs like Steam should allow for a trading system that devalues game as time passes (i.e. a digital version of pre-owned selling/trading)
- Hard copies' key should also be allowed to be used to download a digital copy, (that can't be resold on previously mentioned system).
If digital copy is used, then cd-key is locked to online account, and hard-copy can't be resold neither,
(Again, this will be monitered to prevent abuse)
- Pre-owned system should be kept the same for non multiplayer games. If companies cry about it, they should really make their own trade-in system to compete with high-street retailers.
There's probably more, but I can't think of anyhting at the mo' :D
EDIT: feel free to crticise my ideas. I won't hold it against you. XD
(In fact I encourage it, I might learn something interesting.)
Post edited March 25, 2010 by RetroVortex
This has been happening for a while. It's not about protecting anyone's rights. In fact it can only strip them away. Having the government control copyright 'protection' they're taking away the right of the copyright holder to enforce their rights how and when they see fit.
They're doing this for no other reason than to gain another degree of control over people. Not for the copyright holders, but for themselves. Saying that this is for the copyright holders is as laughable as saying that the RIAA cares about the rights of recording artists.
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Navagon: This has been happening for a while. It's not about protecting anyone's rights. In fact it can only strip them away. Having the government control copyright 'protection' they're taking away the right of the copyright holder to enforce their rights how and when they see fit.
They're doing this for no other reason than to gain another degree of control over people. Not for the copyright holders, but for themselves. Saying that this is for the copyright holders is as laughable as saying that the RIAA cares about the rights of recording artists.

How would you solve the rampant piracy on the Internet then?
I am behind a third party group that tracks down unlawful use of intellectual property of behalf of the holders. I don't see how it can hurt the copyright owner in the least. I don't care what the motivation on the organization or agency is, as long as, in the end, fewer thieves exist. I know the RIAA is only after money, and the rights of the artists are secondary, but does it really matter if the end result is protect of the property from pirates?