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StingingVelvet: Mass Effect 2 plays like a PC game as well if you ask me.

People equate making the game more of an action RPG with making it a console game incorrectly. Pretty much everyone who has actually played ME2 has said it's fantastic. Sure it's not a proper RPG but then ME was never intended to be. Dragon Age was Bioware's 'proper' RPG and if you want to play it like Baldur's Gate then you pretty much can.
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StingingVelvet: Mass Effect 2 plays like a PC game as well if you ask me.
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Delixe: People equate making the game more of an action RPG with making it a console game incorrectly. Pretty much everyone who has actually played ME2 has said it's fantastic. Sure it's not a proper RPG but then ME was never intended to be. Dragon Age was Bioware's 'proper' RPG and if you want to play it like Baldur's Gate then you pretty much can.

Mass Effect 2 is a masterpiece if you ask me. They took some RPG elements away from it yes, though less of them than people seem to think. This makes sense for the game though, the original was a shooter with RPG elements and those RPG elements were somewhat poorly implemented... Mass Effect 2 is a true shooter with RPG elements and is a complete triumph at reaching that goal.
And the PC port looks amazing, runs well and has perfect mouse and keyboard support.
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StingingVelvet: I've been PC gaming and pretty much only PC gaming since the late 80s and I find it amusing you would give me a lecture on what PC gaming is because I like some console ports.
Suffice it to say I find the core gameplay much more important than how the game handles hotkeys or menus. More to the point: I find complaints about most console ports to be nit-picky and annoying.
And Dragon Age was a PC exclusive at first and is an homage to Baldur's Gate. It plays like a PC exclusive and it's a shame you are missing out due to prejudgements.
Mass Effect 2 plays like a PC game as well if you ask me.

I wouldn't ask you. You clearly have a rather different opinion of what makes a good PC game than I do so your testimony probably wouldn't help me decide whether I'd like it or not.
Far Cry 2 was PC exclusive at first, and they still managed to make it into a dumbed down overly-simplistic console port.
I suppose my main gripe with modern Bioware games isn't really so much all the consolization (which is there even if you didn't notice it, I just gave several examples) though that doesn't help in the slightest it's the constant fake choices they give you and the relatively stupid nature of the few real ones. It's like there are two types of choices in the game, the ones where everything you pick leads to the exact same response, and the ones where circumstances end up making their consequences moot. Maybe I just hate Bioware Console games in particular because the first game where I really noticed these things was KotOR(Which had a rather shabby port). In NWN they generally didn't even pretend to give you choices where it mattered. What's his name was always executed for a crime you knew he was innocent of in a cutscene. Course NWN was a worse game overall than KotOR.
Of course KotOR also introduced party members who couldn't die and couldn't be gotten rid of, and yet you could only ever bring two with you at a time. Hm, I think KotOR really did ruin Bioware for me completely, and now there're so many rabid fanboys for them out there that I can't trust anyone who tells me I'll like their games, or this one will be different.
Well you keep rolling with the "menus over gameplay" and "KoTOR sucked" train, it seems to be working well for you.
Meanwhile I will be playing awesome games I love on the best platform to play them.
kthanx.
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Shoelip: Of course KotOR also introduced party members who couldn't die and couldn't be gotten rid of, and yet you could only ever bring two with you at a time. Hm, I think KotOR really did ruin Bioware for me completely, and now there're so many rabid fanboys for them out there that I can't trust anyone who tells me I'll like their games, or this one will be different.

Eh? What? In KOTOR you would kill Mission or Bastila. in KOTOR2 you could kill Visas.
KOTOR was the start of a new direction for Bioware as a company a direction you didn't like fair enough but a lot of people, me included do like it. In fact I like it a great deal.
Arguing the PC is dead shows that you know nothing about the indie scene.
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Delixe: Eh? What? In KOTOR you would kill almost everyone. in KOTOR2 you could kill EVERYONE.
KOTOR was the start of a new direction for Bioware as a company a direction you didn't like fair enough but a lot of people, me included do like it. In fact I like it a great deal.

Seriously did people never go fully evil and kill off all your party members in these games? There are only 2 guarenteed survivors (those that went into KOTOR2) the rest you could either kill on meeting or kill because they were annoying during the end game.
TBH if you go by this guys rules of good gaming then none of the sierra, lucasarts or infocom games were any good because , a) you dont have a party AT ALL!! and b) lack of choices...
As for why there are so many bad ports around now that can be summed up simply DirectX is the reason seriously. But DX is the reason pc gaming will survive it makes porting code between microsofts console of the minute and windows much MUCH easier so yes you'll see wave upon wave of BAD ports (where nothing is changed but enough of the platform specific stuff to make it work,) but you also get some gems like ME2 where there were 2 teams working on it sharing resources and game design but fixing control schemes etc for each one.
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DelusionsBeta: Arguing the PC is dead shows that you know nothing about the indie scene.

It's not just the indie scene (although there are many great indie games due out) there's also a wealth of major titles due out this year on PC which could make this one of the best years for PC gaming in a long time.
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DelusionsBeta: Arguing the PC is dead shows that you know nothing about the indie scene.
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Navagon: It's not just the indie scene (although there are many great indie games due out) there's also a wealth of major titles due out this year on PC which could make this one of the best years for PC gaming in a long time.

The last best gaming years was probably 2005. Doom 3, Half Life 2, Psychonauts, FEAR, Quake 4, just a ton of PC games that came out that were actually good. (Yes Doom 3 was good)
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michaelleung: The last best gaming years was probably 2005. Doom 3, Half Life 2, Psychonauts, FEAR, Quake 4, just a ton of PC games that came out that were actually good. (Yes Doom 3 was good)

Half of those were 2004. Or at least they were here. 2004 was an incredible year for PC gaming. I could run off a list of great titles and still miss half of them.
It seems like allot of people think they're responding to me, but I can't understand what the things they are saying have to do with what I said.
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StingingVelvet: Well you keep rolling with the "menus over gameplay" and "KoTOR sucked" train, it seems to be working well for you.
Meanwhile I will be playing awesome games I love on the best platform to play them.
kthanx.

Um, what? I don’t even know where to begin to respond to this post. As far as I can tell you skimmed over my post and saw me criticizing KotOR and then added the actual words with your imagination. Also I’m pretty sure thinking KotOR sucked isn’t popular enough to have its own train.
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Shoelip: Of course KotOR also introduced party members who couldn't die and couldn't be gotten rid of, and yet you could only ever bring two with you at a time. Hm, I think KotOR really did ruin Bioware for me completely, and now there're so many rabid fanboys for them out there that I can't trust anyone who tells me I'll like their games, or this one will be different.
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Delixe: Eh? What? In KOTOR you would kill Mission or Bastila. in KOTOR2 you could kill Visas.
KOTOR was the start of a new direction for Bioware as a company a direction you didn't like fair enough but a lot of people, me included do like it. In fact I like it a great deal.

Yeah, you can kill the cat girl when you first meet her, or kill everyone at the end of the game to prove how uberebil you are. In Baldur’s Gate you could ask party members to leave at any point. Or kill them if you were so inclined.
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DelusionsBeta: Arguing the PC is dead shows that you know nothing about the indie scene.

Amen to that!
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Delixe: Eh? What? In KOTOR you would kill almost everyone. in KOTOR2 you could kill EVERYONE.
KOTOR was the start of a new direction for Bioware as a company a direction you didn't like fair enough but a lot of people, me included do like it. In fact I like it a great deal.
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wodmarach: Seriously did people never go fully evil and kill off all your party members in these games? There are only 2 guarenteed survivors (those that went into KOTOR2) the rest you could either kill on meeting or kill because they were annoying during the end game.
TBH if you go by this guys rules of good gaming then none of the sierra, lucasarts or infocom games were any good because , a) you dont have a party AT ALL!! and b) lack of choices...
As for why there are so many bad ports around now that can be summed up simply DirectX is the reason seriously. But DX is the reason pc gaming will survive it makes porting code between microsofts console of the minute and windows much MUCH easier so yes you'll see wave upon wave of BAD ports (where nothing is changed but enough of the platform specific stuff to make it work,) but you also get some gems like ME2 where there were 2 teams working on it sharing resources and game design but fixing control schemes etc for each one.

Holy crap man… What did you think I said? Does anyone here read posts before commenting anymore?
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Wraith: This is why I stopped upgrading my PC. Right here. First: PC special editions started getting shafted. Not a big deal, but annoying. Then came the delayed releases. That was enough to get me kinda pissed. Then came the abandoning of the PC once a game was released, despite it having game breaking bugs, with no patch ever released (Kane and Lynch, Far Cry 2 for examples). And now, complete abandoning of the PC as a platform. I've pretty much moved to my consoles for modern gaming, and abandoned the PC, save for certain exclusives (ARMA 2, WoW, etc.), old games, and the occasional FPS that just seems to make more sense on a PC (L4D2, TF2, etc).
Now, reality check: If you think Microsoft owes ANYTHING to you, you are in for a wake up call. Microsoft abandoned the PC when Halo came out. Just look at the E3 footage from 98/99 and the final game once it was announced for Xbox. Microsoft has moved on to consoles. That's where money is to be made. Games for Windows was an utter failure, with a lack of cooperation between companies to try and market the service for all newer games, and a horrible user interface.
Modern PC gaming is, for lack of a better word, dead. It will join the Wii for being the primary target for casual gamers, with a tiny percentage of core gamers holding on.
EDIT: On a side note, BOTH of my hard drives just crashed on my PC. As if it knows I'm talking bad about it.

PC gaming isn't as dead as Microsoft and Sony want you to think it is. People have been saying this sense the 90's. There's more to the story besides retail sales. What is conveniently left out of the numbers is sales from all MMORPG's, online DLC, online services like Steam, GoG, and others. Once you add all this up, you'll realize PC gaming has a much bigger chunk of the pie then you think.
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Wraith: This is why I stopped upgrading my PC. Right here. First: PC special editions started getting shafted. Not a big deal, but annoying. Then came the delayed releases. That was enough to get me kinda pissed. Then came the abandoning of the PC once a game was released, despite it having game breaking bugs, with no patch ever released (Kane and Lynch, Far Cry 2 for examples). And now, complete abandoning of the PC as a platform. I've pretty much moved to my consoles for modern gaming, and abandoned the PC, save for certain exclusives (ARMA 2, WoW, etc.), old games, and the occasional FPS that just seems to make more sense on a PC (L4D2, TF2, etc).
Now, reality check: If you think Microsoft owes ANYTHING to you, you are in for a wake up call. Microsoft abandoned the PC when Halo came out. Just look at the E3 footage from 98/99 and the final game once it was announced for Xbox. Microsoft has moved on to consoles. That's where money is to be made. Games for Windows was an utter failure, with a lack of cooperation between companies to try and market the service for all newer games, and a horrible user interface.
Modern PC gaming is, for lack of a better word, dead. It will join the Wii for being the primary target for casual gamers, with a tiny percentage of core gamers holding on.
EDIT: On a side note, BOTH of my hard drives just crashed on my PC. As if it knows I'm talking bad about it.
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evmiller: PC gaming isn't as dead as Microsoft and Sony want you to think it is. People have been saying this sense the 90's. There's more to the story besides retail sales. What is conveniently left out of the numbers is sales from all MMORPG's, online DLC, online services like Steam, GoG, and others. Once you add all this up, you'll realize PC gaming has a much bigger chunk of the pie then you think.

Also consider that when you talk about PC versus consoles you're comparing one platform to at least 2, probably more.
Modern Warfare 2 PS3 Sales - 6.78 million
Modern Warfare 2 360 Sales - 9.53 million
Modern Warfare 2 PC Sales - Unknown on VGChartz, Kotaku says 170,000 in November, so roughly 200,000 by now.
Yes, this is just one game, but this was a huge release for all systems, and it shows just how little PC gamers are making an impact. Yes, MMO's and RPG's are pretty much shining gems on the PC, but the FPS games have pretty much lost all exclusivity.
Now, I'm not going to single out one specific cause, like piracy, planned obsolescence, etc, but the fact remains that PC gaming is getting smaller and smaller every year.
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Aliasalpha: I've had vastly more trouble with PCs than with either my 360 or PS3. My 360 has died twice, the first time with a gpu issue it was repaired in 2 weeks, the second time with an e74 it was replaced with a new unit in less than 2 weeks. Only problem I've had with my ps3 was a small scare that looked identical to my 360's gpu problem but that was 2/3 of the way through arkham asylum...
With PCs, I've had to disassemble video cards and replace heatsinks, dump faulty ram, deal with dead hard drives, dead power supplies, I had to rip my laptop apart to correct a fundamental design flaw with a 2mm thick copper shim that cost me less than a dollar...

Build you own. HP, Dell, Compaq, etc. are built cheap and almost always suffer from thermal failures due to everything being crammed into tiny chassis and too few cooling fans. A hand-built PC with a roomy chassis where each part has been carefully selected will always provide years of trouble free service.