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Posted October 12, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: Ok, let me put it another way, I paid £30 for an Xbox 360 and one game, about a year ago, and I paid £80 + 5 games for a PS3 some 6 months back. I then paid for 150 360 games, less than a pound each, and 90 PS3 games less than a pound each, effectively buying two consoles and 250 games (ok a fair few duplicates, however some collectors editions), for the same price you paid for 1 console and 3 games. My point is not don't buy consoles or anything of the sort, wait 4-5 years for the new version to come out and you can buy them dirt cheap.
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Yrtti: Did you buy 90 copies of NHL 2010 or something? Barely anything is sold less than £1 even if they're used. Actually, even NHL 2010 is sold for more than £1.
Ebay, gumtree, other sites. The Xbox was from a colleague who brought an xbone (that came with Halo I think). PS3 off Ebay, £78 + £24.50 P&P with 20 games (not 5 as I mentioned above, just checked my Ebay account). The Xbox games were via Gumtree, I went to collect them, that was exactly £1 a piece, only 3 of them were the chuck away sports ones, and it included Fable 3 book style, Dishonored Special Edition, and COD: BO Hardened.

You just have to be lucky, and keep looking around. Avoid the game re-sellers, they are way too pricey, buy job-lots its cheaper. I used to work at a place, some 10 years ago which had an internal selling website, pre/post Christmas you could pick up some real deals.
Posted October 13, 2015
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R8V9F5A2: I've also been reading that Japanese developers are getting increasingly interested in the Indie-scene, and I think their preferred system of delivery will be the PlayStation, considering its extensive distribution channels and cost-cutting options. Most of us have already noted the growing battle over indie game exclusives on console, this is only going to intensify..
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Yrtti: My impression of Japanese indie games isn't that great so far. Not that the majority of indie games from the west are great either so there's that. Maybe good stuff will come out later on.

About the prices, I was responding to someone claiming that a console is £500 (which none of them is even close to especially at this point) and that videogames on consoles are £80 (which they clearly are and never have been)
The indie game scene is still quite young in Japan, however it seems to only be getting bigger. The most famous ones in the West are games like La-Mulana and PixelJunk. D4 probably counts as well. Yeah we tend to forget that for every Western indie game that stands out for its greatness we have 10's if not 100's that never really make it.

Yes I understood that what you wrote was a response to the other guy's argument, I just wanted to support your argument with some numbers.

The argument that all AAA games on PC are much cheaper than on console is a myth; sometimes the console version is cheaper other times the PC one. It also varies from country to country and whether or not you buy the digital version of the console game or the hard-copy one, as hard-copies tend to be significantly cheaper than the downloadable versions.
Posted October 13, 2015
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Yrtti: My impression of Japanese indie games isn't that great so far. Not that the majority of indie games from the west are great either so there's that. Maybe good stuff will come out later on.

About the prices, I was responding to someone claiming that a console is £500 (which none of them is even close to especially at this point) and that videogames on consoles are £80 (which they clearly are and never have been)
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R8V9F5A2: The indie game scene is still quite young in Japan, however it seems to only be getting bigger. The most famous ones in the West are games like La-Mulana and PixelJunk. D4 probably counts as well. Yeah we tend to forget that for every Western indie game that stands out for its greatness we have 10's if not 100's that never really make it.

Yes I understood that what you wrote was a response to the other guy's argument, I just wanted to support your argument with some numbers.

The argument that all AAA games on PC are much cheaper than on console is a myth; sometimes the console version is cheaper other times the PC one. It also varies from country to country and whether or not you buy the digital version of the console game or the hard-copy one, as hard-copies tend to be significantly cheaper than the downloadable versions.
Why? console version price can beat humble bundle and such?
Posted October 13, 2015
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R8V9F5A2: The indie game scene is still quite young in Japan, however it seems to only be getting bigger. The most famous ones in the West are games like La-Mulana and PixelJunk. D4 probably counts as well. Yeah we tend to forget that for every Western indie game that stands out for its greatness we have 10's if not 100's that never really make it.

Yes I understood that what you wrote was a response to the other guy's argument, I just wanted to support your argument with some numbers.

The argument that all AAA games on PC are much cheaper than on console is a myth; sometimes the console version is cheaper other times the PC one. It also varies from country to country and whether or not you buy the digital version of the console game or the hard-copy one, as hard-copies tend to be significantly cheaper than the downloadable versions.
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Gnostic: Why? console version price can beat humble bundle and such?
To clarify things: this discussion was about the launch prices of AAA games that appear on PC as well as on console.

1) the vast majority of "bundle" games are indie games and/or older PC games...not AAA games
2) the vast majority of "bundle" games are PC exclusives
3) this discussion is about launch prices...not prices 5 years after release
Post edited October 13, 2015 by R8V9F5A2
Posted October 13, 2015
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Gnostic: Why? console version price can beat humble bundle and such?
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R8V9F5A2: To clarify things: this discussion was about the launch prices of AAA games that appear on PC as well as on console.

1) the vast majority of "bundle" games are indie games and/or older PC games...not AAA games
2) the vast majority of "bundle" games are PC exclusives
3) this discussion is about launch prices...not prices 5 years after release
No, the discussion was about whether or not to buy and xbone or a ps4. My point was that at release and currently, they are extremely expensive and that waiting a few years means you can buy them a lot cheaper.
This.is the only point, nothing about pc's or not buying consoles, or anything else. Please stop trying to turn my point into an argument about something else.
Posted October 13, 2015
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Gnostic: Why? console version price can beat humble bundle and such?
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R8V9F5A2: To clarify things: this discussion was about the launch prices of AAA games that appear on PC as well as on console.

1) the vast majority of "bundle" games are indie games and/or older PC games...not AAA games
2) the vast majority of "bundle" games are PC exclusives
3) this discussion is about launch prices...not prices 5 years after release
What? You mean an AAA game now would cease to be AAA after 5 years?

I thought AAA stands for great games that are worth playing?
Post edited October 13, 2015 by Gnostic
Posted October 13, 2015
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Gnostic: Why? console version price can beat humble bundle and such?
What? Humble Bundle? You mean waiting for specific sets of time until the game I'm wishing to buy is on a bundle? That is not really great; waiting for a bundle with a game I want just to get it at a lower price. Sure the games packed together might be at a lower price, but that doesn't mean I will not wait until the game I want is put in a bundle. And then of course, being Humble Bundle, it being having a %75-%25 chance of either the game being Steam DRM'd or DRM-free respectively.
Post edited October 13, 2015 by PookaMustard
Posted October 13, 2015
Whilst I understand why the PS4 is a much trendier option, I think the Xbone will have a more lasting appeal. It might be lacking a little in the tech department but it has over all more uses which appeals to me more.
Posted October 13, 2015
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Gnostic: What? You mean an AAA game now would cease to be AAA after 5 years?
No, but AAA games will still get price drops during those 5 years depending on how they did.

Making bundle pricing a standard of any sort is silly because you can never know if that one game will ever be on a bundle to begin with. You might as well compare bundles to how you can get games for $5 each month (or less) on PS4/PS3/Vita through PS+

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R8V9F5A2: D4 probably counts as well.
D4 had funding by M$ I believe.
Posted October 14, 2015
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Gnostic: Why? console version price can beat humble bundle and such?
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PookaMustard: What? Humble Bundle? You mean waiting for specific sets of time until the game I'm wishing to buy is on a bundle? That is not really great; waiting for a bundle with a game I want just to get it at a lower price. Sure the games packed together might be at a lower price, but that doesn't mean I will not wait until the game I want is put in a bundle. And then of course, being Humble Bundle, it being having a %75-%25 chance of either the game being Steam DRM'd or DRM-free respectively.
Without bundling, usually most games drop to 50% or more in a year.

If you are unwilling to wait of course there is no discount and you pay full price regardless of any platform.

But that does not mean those willing to wait cannot get the game for cheap.

That is a question to R8V9F5A2 when he claim that all AAA games on PC are much cheaper than on console is a myth, because console games rarely go as cheap as PC would
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Gnostic: What? You mean an AAA game now would cease to be AAA after 5 years?
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Yrtti: No, but AAA games will still get price drops during those 5 years depending on how they did.

Making bundle pricing a standard of any sort is silly because you can never know if that one game will ever be on a bundle to begin with. You might as well compare bundles to how you can get games for $5 each month (or less) on PS4/PS3/Vita through PS+
And you need to have a PS4/PS3/PS2/PS1/vita in working condition.

What should be made a standard for comparison then? The overall cheapness of PC vs console games?
Post edited October 14, 2015 by Gnostic
Posted October 14, 2015
Read this detailed comparison, I guess it will be very useful for you.
PS4 vs Xbox One: which is better?
Posted October 14, 2015
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Gnostic: And you need to have a PS4/PS3/PS2/PS1/vita in working condition.

What should be made a standard for comparison then? The overall cheapness of PC vs console games?
Why would you need working PS2/PS1? I don't get it.

I don't even get the point about working condition since you obviously need a PC in working condition to play games bought from bundles.

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Gnostic: What should be made a standard for comparison then? The overall cheapness of PC vs console games?
As full price they hover around the same prices depending on publishers. Funnily enough the digital prices are usually the more expensive ones on consoles.

Console game prices drop over time both digitally and physically it's a matter of patience in both cases but if publishers want they can just keep on keeping the prices up. For example Activision keeps on keeping CoD highly priced even on PC and often there are sales where a specific game might go for -75% at one point but after that it will never go as low because it got popular again.
Posted October 14, 2015
If I had to buy a console, I would go for the Playstation. Even if I am late, I still want to get a PS3. The same applies to the newest gen, I'd grab a PS4. That is unless you are fond on the XBOX exclusives of course, which as you point out, it is mainly Halo and GoW. The other games, even if some will appear sooner on XBOX, (I recall reading something about that with the next Tomb Raider, but don't quote me on that), you'll still get them on the PS4.
Posted October 14, 2015
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Gnostic: And you need to have a PS4/PS3/PS2/PS1/vita in working condition.

What should be made a standard for comparison then? The overall cheapness of PC vs console games?
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Yrtti: Why would you need working PS2/PS1? I don't get it.

I don't even get the point about working condition since you obviously need a PC in working condition to play games bought from bundles.

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Gnostic: What should be made a standard for comparison then? The overall cheapness of PC vs console games?
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Yrtti: As full price they hover around the same prices depending on publishers. Funnily enough the digital prices are usually the more expensive ones on consoles.

Console game prices drop over time both digitally and physically it's a matter of patience in both cases but if publishers want they can just keep on keeping the prices up. For example Activision keeps on keeping CoD highly priced even on PC and often there are sales where a specific game might go for -75% at one point but after that it will never go as low because it got popular again.
1 PC in working condition as opposed to 4 consoles in working condition that you should find a place to store, when not using. Also the PC can be used for a hell lot more things than gaming. Although with the PC we obviously have the problem with OS compatibility issue - how would you play XP game on 10? But nevertheless the PC compatibility issues looks better.
Posted October 14, 2015
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Gnostic: And you need to have a PS4/PS3/PS2/PS1/vita in working condition.

What should be made a standard for comparison then? The overall cheapness of PC vs console games?
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Yrtti: Why would you need working PS2/PS1? I don't get it.

I don't even get the point about working condition since you obviously need a PC in working condition to play games bought from bundles.

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Gnostic: What should be made a standard for comparison then? The overall cheapness of PC vs console games?
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Yrtti: As full price they hover around the same prices depending on publishers. Funnily enough the digital prices are usually the more expensive ones on consoles.

Console game prices drop over time both digitally and physically it's a matter of patience in both cases but if publishers want they can just keep on keeping the prices up. For example Activision keeps on keeping CoD highly priced even on PC and often there are sales where a specific game might go for -75% at one point but after that it will never go as low because it got popular again.
I read you wrongly and thought you are saying you can get the games for cheap on the older consoles too.

So I thought to point out that the playstation don't have backward compatibility and you need working old consoles to enjoy the old games. While the PC have huge backward compatibility thanks to various emulators
Post edited October 14, 2015 by Gnostic
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