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Tauto: Just an update on new pc for those that are interested.Also WIN10 PRO is provided free,instead of Home.This was suggested by builder,instead of higher priced pieces.Maybe,some of you will say that ''this is no good'' but the deal is done and paid so there is no going back:)
See the Builder knew, Even I knew it Never get home always go with PRO

Nice video card too B.T.W. better then mine I can tell you!

Mines a GTX 1080 ti
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Tauto: No,I got scared of the SSD and stuck with HHD and I know that's silly but I preferred to stay with HHD as I know how to keep it managed.
I split the drive to 2TB in "C" and "D" drive.
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lukaszthegreat: You got scared by false statements...
Maybe..
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Tauto: Just an update on new pc for those that are interested.Also WIN10 PRO is provided free,instead of Home.This was suggested by builder,instead of higher priced pieces.Maybe,some of you will say that ''this is no good'' but the deal is done and paid so there is no going back:)
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fr33kSh0w2012: See the Builder knew, Even I knew it Never get home always go with PRO

Nice video card too B.T.W. better then mine I can tell you!

Mines a GTX 1080 ti
I hope so, and yeah, I had the money to go a bit higher than you, and if it's any consultation your card was in original build before I changed it so I think we done okay:)
Post edited June 28, 2019 by Tauto
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Tauto: No,I got scared of the SSD and stuck with HHD and I know that's silly but I preferred to stay with HHD as I know how to keep it managed.
I split the drive to 2TB in "C" and "D" drive.
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lukaszthegreat: You got scared by false statements...
People mess up, buy cheap crap and then speak from their experience. But the facts speak for themselves.


The HDD can fail just as easily mechanically, sure your data is there, but how much will that cost, and can you truly trust the person accessing it?


You should always have multiple drives, be it SSD or a HDD for easy use, and always have a backup outside of that such as a USB stick.

OS on the first drive, and basic software/drivers only makes for easy formatting.

Games and files on the second makes for an easy reinstallation, of which i can be back up and running within an hour, OS/Drivers/Software.


If one fails, you have the other. And if both fail, you have a USB backup. Large 2+TB drives are for the most party utterly pointless unless you are doing video editing, or have a few really large games.


I seriously wouldn't want to lose 2TB of data.
^^ That.

Always have multiple drives, and multiple partitions, both to minimize potential losses (and needed copying in case of reinstalls) and for organization.

I have a SSD (250 Gb) and 2 HDDs (500 and 250 Gb), that between them have 8 partitions (10 if you count the "system reserved" ones, one active one for an old Windows install on a HDD). 3 partitions are unused (one is that old Windows install just left there; one was the games and documents partition on the HDD it was on, which I moved to the SSD when I got that, but didn't extend the other partition to include it, so it's just left there; one is the system partition on the SSD, where I'm yet to install, will probably only do that on the next computer). The remaining five are: system (HDD1), games and documents (SSD), kits and media (HDD2), safe (HDD2 - a small partition where the stuff I can't just get again, so documents, personal pictures, game saves, are backed up automatically daily), backup (HDD1 - contents of both safe and kits and media partitions are backed up there daily automatically, and GOG game kits also go there). So the stuff I can't just get again is on both HDDs and the SSD, and the kits and media on both HDDs as well. (Also have an image of the system partition, plus the contents of backup, backed up manually, monthly or so, on an external HDD.) So if something fails, *shrug* If it's not the system, just change some drive letters. If it is, restore that elsewhere from backup.
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fr33kSh0w2012: Nice video card too B.T.W. better then mine I can tell you!

Mines a GTX 1080 ti
GTX 1080 Ti is even better than RTX 2070. Don't try to "upgrade" to RTX 2060. :)
NVME drive.
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fr33kSh0w2012: Nice video card too B.T.W. better then mine I can tell you!

Mines a GTX 1080 ti
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ariaspi: GTX 1080 Ti is even better than RTX 2070. Don't try to "upgrade" to RTX 2060. :)
Yeah but a pack of shit IF you turn ray tracing on.
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Tauto: Getting new pc and would you stick to normal Hard Drives or make one an SSD?
I wouldn't bother with an SSDl get an m.2 drive (an NVMe one as the other type are just anouther slow SSD).
I'd recommend at least a 500gb one with a 100gb partition for OS 400GB for games.
I mean I'm running a 1tb M2 NVMe and with modern games and my GOG library I managed to fill it up in like 1 day of installs, so you can definitely fill it.
The thing is if your not going 2tb which arguably the price at the moment is for 'early adopters' for such a thing (read exorbitant); you are probably not going to use it as your everyday drive.
Especially with a small 500gb M.2 NVMe it means you are going to swap things in and out of it on a niegh constant basis, which probably isn't too good for the memory; plus if you have to delete a few folders and copy and paste a pre-install folder in then obviously your not using that speed properly.
Not saying you can't curate it, just that it could be a pain in the arse that also wears your expensive piece of technology.

You will however want a spinning rust drive for a number of good reasons.
a) Large storage (especially if you run the drive compressed)
b) Archival. Slow sometimes isn't a noticeable factor for example with standard bit rate DVD movies I mean I can't tell you the last time i even watched a 4k movie from any source lately and i run 4k natively.
c) Security. It's easier to have data security when you can simply rewrite the bits on a HDD (something that is *iffy on an SSD); and second to this backing up data should always be a priority and currently SSD's are about 4x the cost per GB which means a 2tb SSD equates to having 2x4tb HDD's which you can either raid or keep one as an offline backup (my preference).
d) Simple compatibility. want to send files quickly and easily? Don't rip out that OS laden stick; shut down & remove the hopefully bay mounted HDD, shove it in the other pc connected and let them grab the files directly from within their own system.
No shit windows file transfer speeds, no shit windows networking management to worry about, & you should have a backup anyways let alone your necessary install pretty much instantly able to be loaded to your NVMe drive which you totally did before removing the drive right?
I have all 3 and fact isyour not going to find much use for an SSD in between choice; and once you have that M2 3ghz plus speed your not going to hand that badboy back.
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Tauto: Getting new pc and would you stick to normal Hard Drives or make one an SSD?
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MaceyNeil: I wouldn't bother with an SSDl get an m.2 drive (an NVMe one as the other type are just anouther slow SSD).
I'd recommend at least a 500gb one with a 100gb partition for OS 400GB for games.
I mean I'm running a 1tb M2 NVMe and with modern games and my GOG library I managed to fill it up in like 1 day of installs, so you can definitely fill it.
The thing is if your not going 2tb which arguably the price at the moment is for 'early adopters' for such a thing (read exorbitant); you are probably not going to use it as your everyday drive.
Especially with a small 500gb M.2 NVMe it means you are going to swap things in and out of it on a niegh constant basis, which probably isn't too good for the memory; plus if you have to delete a few folders and copy and paste a pre-install folder in then obviously your not using that speed properly.
Not saying you can't curate it, just that it could be a pain in the arse that also wears your expensive piece of technology.

You will however want a spinning rust drive for a number of good reasons.
a) Large storage (especially if you run the drive compressed)
b) Archival. Slow sometimes isn't a noticeable factor for example with standard bit rate DVD movies I mean I can't tell you the last time i even watched a 4k movie from any source lately and i run 4k natively.
c) Security. It's easier to have data security when you can simply rewrite the bits on a HDD (something that is *iffy on an SSD); and second to this backing up data should always be a priority and currently SSD's are about 4x the cost per GB which means a 2tb SSD equates to having 2x4tb HDD's which you can either raid or keep one as an offline backup (my preference).
d) Simple compatibility. want to send files quickly and easily? Don't rip out that OS laden stick; shut down & remove the hopefully bay mounted HDD, shove it in the other pc connected and let them grab the files directly from within their own system.
No shit windows file transfer speeds, no shit windows networking management to worry about, & you should have a backup anyways let alone your necessary install pretty much instantly able to be loaded to your NVMe drive which you totally did before removing the drive right?
I have all 3 and fact isyour not going to find much use for an SSD in between choice; and once you have that M2 3ghz plus speed your not going to hand that badboy back.
He went full hdd like it's 2012
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MaceyNeil: I wouldn't bother with an SSDl get an m.2 drive (an NVMe one as the other type are just anouther slow SSD).
I'd recommend at least a 500gb one with a 100gb partition for OS 400GB for games.
I mean I'm running a 1tb M2 NVMe and with modern games and my GOG library I managed to fill it up in like 1 day of installs, so you can definitely fill it.
The thing is if your not going 2tb which arguably the price at the moment is for 'early adopters' for such a thing (read exorbitant); you are probably not going to use it as your everyday drive.
Especially with a small 500gb M.2 NVMe it means you are going to swap things in and out of it on a niegh constant basis, which probably isn't too good for the memory; plus if you have to delete a few folders and copy and paste a pre-install folder in then obviously your not using that speed properly.
Not saying you can't curate it, just that it could be a pain in the arse that also wears your expensive piece of technology.

You will however want a spinning rust drive for a number of good reasons.
a) Large storage (especially if you run the drive compressed)
b) Archival. Slow sometimes isn't a noticeable factor for example with standard bit rate DVD movies I mean I can't tell you the last time i even watched a 4k movie from any source lately and i run 4k natively.
c) Security. It's easier to have data security when you can simply rewrite the bits on a HDD (something that is *iffy on an SSD); and second to this backing up data should always be a priority and currently SSD's are about 4x the cost per GB which means a 2tb SSD equates to having 2x4tb HDD's which you can either raid or keep one as an offline backup (my preference).
d) Simple compatibility. want to send files quickly and easily? Don't rip out that OS laden stick; shut down & remove the hopefully bay mounted HDD, shove it in the other pc connected and let them grab the files directly from within their own system.
No shit windows file transfer speeds, no shit windows networking management to worry about, & you should have a backup anyways let alone your necessary install pretty much instantly able to be loaded to your NVMe drive which you totally did before removing the drive right?
I have all 3 and fact isyour not going to find much use for an SSD in between choice; and once you have that M2 3ghz plus speed your not going to hand that badboy back.
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lukaszthegreat: He went full hdd like it's 2012
LOL he's heard production news right? they'll clear the backlog update the technology and price points will go back to their original level lol. ah silly peoples ah well each to their own.
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Tauto:
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MaceyNeil:
It's a Holden or a Ford,they are both untrustworthy.
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MaceyNeil: I mean I'm running a 1tb M2 NVMe and with modern games and my GOG library I managed to fill it up in like 1 day of installs, so you can definitely fill it.
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Especially with a small 500gb M.2 NVMe it means you are going to swap things in and out of it on a niegh constant basis, which probably isn't too good for the memory; plus if you have to delete a few folders and copy and paste a pre-install folder in then obviously your not using that speed properly.
Depends what you have. I always looked oddly at how much space people use on their computers.
Total amount of space used on mine, excluding backups, is currently 407 Gb. 255 Gb of that are GOG game kits.
How's your new pc tauto?
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Tauto: Getting new pc and would you stick to normal Hard Drives or make one an SSD?
First off, nice thread idea.

As for me: SSDs are quicker to fail due to only allowing so many overwrites, and are more expensive, but both problems have been improved over time.

If I had to choose i'd get a regular(but fast) HDD with SSD-like cache(hybrid drives) and maybe a smaller SSD for modern games and a third hybrid drive for anything else.

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Tauto: Yeah,that is okay also nut the concerns I have........They say to put all programs on SSD and yet this is a concern because for instance virus controller is updating each time pc is turned on as well as Win10 and any other programs.I don't think that SSD should be written on all the time by programs and sooner or later it will stuff up.
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Braggadar: Which is why you backup the image from time to time to mass storage. When the SSD fails replace it.
Good if you have the money(SSDs cost more to replace)...not so much for poorer folk.

Also you need somewhere to back all that data up...which is usually another HDD.

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Ryan333: The most cost-effective setup is a hybrid drive solution. Use at least a 256GB SSD to hold the operating system, applications and any high-performance games. Then have a 1TB+ conventional hard disk for all your documents, pictures, movies and other data, along with any older games which may not benefit from the higher disk access speeds.
With some games being around 50GB a 256GB SSD for OS/games is not good anymore....also for hoarders a 1TB backup drive is also less than ideal.

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lukaszthegreat: My laptop starts in 5 seconds.

My desktop goes to loading screen faster than monitor turns on, within 30 seconds or so.

It is a must in new pc.
I get that some dislike waiting but was 1 minute really that long to wait for a system to boot? Some are getting lazier and lazier these days, it seems.

(Yes I know some need that extra time saved, and not all are lazy.....they are ok, imo)
Post edited July 22, 2019 by GameRager
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rtcvb32: Personally? I'd like saving 1Gb for running the OS entirely from RAM, then everything else from the hard drive. Fast speed after you get past the copying to ram stage.
If you have/had OS in RAM wouldn't it be lost when the power shut off?

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Matewis: I'm planning to go for one on my next laptop. Thinking 256gb.
Get 512 or more if you play modern titles....as I told someone above in a prior reply that isn't enough if it's used for gaming with today's modern games needing 50+ GB.
Post edited July 22, 2019 by GameRager