While we are at „proof“, could you post a few (maybe 5-10) different people on Steam saying that GOG is only selling pirated games?

If it's on the internet it must be true! =P

that's so dumb, it hurts to read.

Uh, that's good for consumers.

Steam accounts get stolen because there's liquid consumer money locked in them that you can steal. And that's bad for consumers because, all things being equal, you don't want to paint a target on yourself. And it's bad x2 because it's your money sitting there unused. And it's bad x3 because the "value" is your consumer rights held hostage.

^ This. He's another Steam-fanboy whose measure for everything is "is it exactly like Steam and does every other gamer have exactly the same expectations of hating anything that deviates from Steam even 1% that I do". I've never used Galaxy, have zero interest in client features like achievements or cloud saves, but I'm 1,000x more interested in offline installers that give GOG users (not mere "subscribers") 2x things Steam doesn't - version control / stability (no unwanted forced updates of games that already run exactly as you want them), and the simple basic freedom of actually having a copy of your game in your own possession that isn't reliant on "the cloud"...

About the only valid point he does make is old games being available elsewhere. Eg, there are still "holes" in GOG's library like Steam having Heretic & Hexen, or Humble Store has Bioshock 1 (all DRM-free), but GOG still does not.

As for arguing over what the "real" core business originated as (store vs game dev), a lot of people could say exactly the same thing over "So where's Half Life 3, then? We'd rather have that than another 1,000x un-curated asset-flipped Unity Engine Personal Edition "games", Uncle Gabe..."

I'm so worried about this very next verse, it isn't the best that I've got. This is such a load of shit that I don't even know how to begin.

The user doesn't just want GOG to be like Steam. No, he wants it to become the better Steam. Ask him what's wrong with Steam, his answer is that this or that "feature" is missing. Features that all strengthen and necessitate the user's constant contact with the home server, features that only serve to pressure more brand loyalty out of the customers. Constant updates, achievements, cloud saves, all shit that works exactly like DRM, and social media features that act as the ultimate copy protection ever invented. GOG could have done well with so much LESS.

And, really, the most naive thing that this commenter pitched was that it wouldn't have been "that hard" for Galaxy to turn out "a million times" better than Steam. As if there weren't millions in Valve's client that GOG just doesn't have to spend. The bloody forum should have been updated six years ago! Instead, GOG has wasted money on profiles first, to be more like Steam, and because apparently their "fans asked for it".

Seems to me the Steam fans asked for it. Seems to me the Steam fans made the absurd wish to have their Steam games for free on GOG, and GOG went ahead and fucking granted that wish to the best of their ability. That was just nuts. What did the GOG fans ever get out of this? And this wish has so_many_votes. Votes that would have been so much better spent on other wishlist entries (hint hint privacy, hint hint forum overhaul).

It isn't just that Valve has vastly more money and influence, it's also that the system Steam is broken. It's what's wrong. Because it works so well to sucker in the client and trap them on the platform even though what the platform offers is just an empty shell, and Steam users are starting to be very aware. I'd rather hope GOG never manages to make the steps towards being "the better Steam" because they neither have the money nor this absurd level of corporate greed.

It is! It has a lot of depth that I wouldn't associate with a shooter of its age.

I use Galaxy. I love using Galaxy. It is convenient and easy. But I am also comforted by the fact that if GOG did something insanely stupid with Galaxy, I could install it on the spot and all my games that I have installed still work 100% with no question (except Gwent) and I am thrilled about having that control, and not being tied to a client I can't control.
"Everything on the internet HAS to be true."
-"Honest" Abe Lincoln

A few years back there were some threads about it on the Steam forum. Especially one active member was so funny on his quest I had tears in my eyes reading his posts. Unfortunatelly can't link to those posts anymore. I believe he was in need of some medicine. I know, it's cruel.. ; p

Yeah, and that point is unfounded bullshit, starting with the fact that GOG was well-established long before The Witcher 3 and that neither one of those games, excluding the PC version of GWENT, is a GOG exclusive (and the fact that GWENT doesn't pop up in those statements even once just shows how uninformed that dumbass is). The way CDPR have been handling the Witcher games on GOG, with shitloads of giveaways and free GOG keys included with the retail versions of TW3, makes it clear that they used The Witcher primarily to boost the store's exposure rather than to get additional revenue off direct sales. It's exactly the other way around than he says.

The guy is perfectly confusing the business models of GOG and Steam. It's Valve who originally built their store around in-house games and are to this day developing all sorts of schemes based on those, like Team Fortress 2's hats and later CS:GO's loot boxes. That's a pukeworthy level of irony right there.

Ignore him. He has a bug up his ass about me. :P

If anyone else here had made that exact same post he wouldn't have said a word.

We don't have proof; like hard numbers. But, we have *indications*. Hopeful ones, hopeless ones. What i noticed:

GOG changed model, alright. It sold off some key principles of the past, such as the "1$ =/= 1E" (like older youtube videos clearly show)... Yet, they tried to compensate people (like with free wallet funds).

Yes, they made a client, where and when like half users here, don't even want any, or anything to do with it... Yes, they even shove it down in us, with installers already including it (and not all have the choice to come Galaxy-clean, at least yet)... BUT, its features are optional; at least, for the time being. At Steam, you are forced to have always on, features like game time tracking, cloud saves, automatic updates, stuff like that... In a lot of cases, this harms your games and rights, like the GTA soundtrack removal and the widescreen compatibility removal, before. Here, some options and ticks later, rid yourself of such annoyances, ensuring that your games remain in the exact same state, in which you purchased them!

Profiles are nasty, too... But they now can be hidden.

The real problem, is that some people get irritated, the more GOG tries to "emulate" Steam... Because, they don't like steam, what it stands for, what it does with its own place there. Some waves of few peasants, out of the blue, randomly invade forums here one day and start nagging, about "my key was for gog but i want steam", "games not having achievements", "no client and social cr@p being here", "no modern games and AAAs coming here", etc... Then POOF, few time later, gog stops getting old games, mimics steam features more frantically and leaves old fans wondering "just what the hell hit them"?

Although, truth be said, support is always helpful, fast to respond and reliable, much unlike Steam's. Games are still DRM Free. And game support is great, unlike Steam, in which older games never get tweaks and fixes; especially for compatibility with modern systems!

I also worry something awful about the direction things are going and the OP's quoting of other talks, do seem to have some basis. I mean, a place selling Good OLD Games, doesn't even have something that hackers or pirates would want, like Good OLD Games! The best old games aren't even here yet (Diablo, Warcraft, C&C, GTA, etc), with a good chance they will never be, random oldies aren't even mentioned or talked about, not even wishlists get updated with status (completed, in progress, etc) and worst of all? Even INDIES developers, refuse to contact GOG for partnership and instead, choose Steam and choose Steam, EXCLUSIVELY. Examples: Bloodstained spin-off game, CelesSteel.

THIS, does worry me. And somewhat proves, some key points, analyzed by OP. We had always been second class citizens, but the very instant GOG started becoming a poor man's Steam, we became third class citizens, instead, sad as is.

Funny how you dig out an old private conversation only to not answer my legitimate question.

To use an analogy. Would it be ok if someone says „tinye sells drugs“ without any proof? You claim something without any proof not me.

Without sources, all that rant in the first post is to be treated like bullshit. Numbers first, conclusions later.