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tinyE: The problem with talking to zeo is that you actually have to read his posts. :P I've been arguing in another thread all day with people who's idea of a solid retort is obscene drivel. :P It's an adjustment conversing with someone who actually has something solid and well thought out to say. XD
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zeogold: You say this, yet you fail to take into proper account the converse theory of the fact that yo momma's so dumb, she stared at a can of orange juice for half an hour because it said "concentrate".
And yo family is so poor they eat barbecue one day and lick their fingers the next.
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Andrey82: Witcher 3 - 10 millions copies sold - no DRM.
You do realize this game is available on Steam, right? Is this number taking into account the Steam purchases as well, or just the non-DRM ones?
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zeogold: They have a point. Lack of DRM makes it easy to pirate a game.
We don't do it because we're decent people, but as you can tell by looking at the history of any city that has a drastic increase in population, the more people arrive, the more the crime rate goes up. WE might not pirate, but that's no guarantee that somebody else won't. Or that somebody who doesn't even use the forum isn't doing it already.
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tinyE: I don't know that anything really helps. You may have a point but don't forget when Diablo 3 was released. It was cracked almost immediately, the servers were jammed, and what happened was the people who went out, bought a copy, and waded through the DRM were the only ones who couldn't play it.
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MacArthur: all the usuals steamers are out in force whiteknighting their heroes.
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tinyE: Where? :P
I've gone over every post in the is thread twice and I don't see one Steam Fanboy in here.
That's a new kind of trolling from you TinyE. The am0k and phe0ce of this board must have passed you by.
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Andrey82: I visited now a few torrent trackers and sites: a lot of new releases of games from Steam with their DRM.
Yeah, but the question is if they'll WORK.
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zeogold: You do realize this game is available on Steam, right? Is this number taking into account the Steam purchases as well, or just the non-DRM ones?
This number is taking into account the console sales as well.
Post edited June 25, 2016 by Grargar
DRM-free is the main reason I came here, as many of you have as well - I imagine. We indeed are a niche market - but that's exactly what GOG wants to cater to, being who they are - as gamers. As long as that idea lives and guides their decisions in the future, we need not worry about Steam.

As long as we stand together as a community and advocate DRM-free for what it is, GOG will continue to grow.
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MacArthur: That's a new kind of trolling from you TinyE. The am0k and phe0ce of this board must have passed you by.
How is he trolling? amok and Pheace weren't being Steam fanboys, they're being like me: Pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of both stores.
In fact, I'd have to say that if you think one guy pointing out a weakness of GOG and another guy debunking a supposed weakness of Steam are being Steam fanboys, then you're actually the GOG fanboy since you dislike seeing anything negative said about GOG or anything positive said about Steam, no matter how weak these positives or negatives are.

I hope this doesn't come across as rude or accusatory, but seriously, if you can't take something nice said about a place you hate or something bad said about a place you love, don't enter a discussion. You only ever get the spread of ideas through dissenting opinions.

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TheOneRaziel: As long as that idea lives and guides their decisions in the future, we need not worry about Steam.
This is kind of what people are currently worried about, though. GOG is a company like any other, and they're trying to make money. A lot of forumites here question how far they'll go to do so.
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TheOneRaziel: As long as we stand together as a community and advocate DRM-free for what it is, GOG will continue to grow.
Again, I hate to be the pessimist, but realistically, I really, really doubt that.
Post edited June 25, 2016 by zeogold
Oh, I think Steam DOES care for its users. But I also think they're trying to shape the marketplace and the process of buying and "owning" games, and doing so to work things out in their favor. Some of the things they're doing seem like they're trying to make PC games more like console games: auto-updates, SteamBox, Big Picture, etc.

And I think there is a large portion of the buying public who will either embrace those things or at least have no problems accepting them.

Other than that, I agree with Smannesman in post 6. gOg do compete with Steam, and they do it by not copying Steam. A ~10% market share does not mean that gOg are not successful in what they are doing.
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TheOneRaziel: As long as we stand together as a community
Are you serious? Have you looked in the Brexit thread? :P
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HereForTheBeer: Oh, I think Steam DOES care for its users. But I also think they're trying to shape the marketplace and the process of buying and "owning" games, and doing so to work things out in their favor. Some of the things they're doing seem like they're trying to make PC games more like console games: auto-updates, SteamBox, Big Picture, etc.

And I think there is a large portion of the buying public who will either embrace those things or at least have no problems accepting them.

Other than that, I agree with Smannesman in post 6. gOg do compete with Steam, and they do it by not copying Steam. A ~10% market share does not mean that gOg are not successful in what they are doing.
I concur with everything said here.
Now, perhaps somebody can enlighten me on this, because I'm not sure how the numbers play out:
How does the console market compare to the PC market in terms of profitability?
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TheOneRaziel: As long as we stand together as a community
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tinyE: Are you serious? Have you looked in the Brexit thread? :P
Or pretty much any thread created by catpower1980. I've seen at least two of his so far get closed, and that's just since I've been here.
Post edited June 25, 2016 by zeogold
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Andrey82: Witcher 3 - 10 millions copies sold - no DRM.
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zeogold: You do realize this game is available on Steam, right? Is this number taking into account the Steam purchases as well, or just the non-DRM ones?
But at the same moment was available DRM-free version and this hasn't affected sales or privacy of legal owners, right?

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Andrey82: I visited now a few torrent trackers and sites: a lot of new releases of games from Steam with their DRM.
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zeogold: Yeah, but the question is if they'll WORK.
They are. As last resort, there is always cheap Steam activation about 1.5-2$ for single play.
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vahak11: I started playing a few weeks ago... You're saying i installed a cheat then deleted the cheat? Oh im sorry, am i getting in the way of you belief that machines are perfect?
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Pheace: Nothing quite so idealistic. More a belief reinforced by the endless stream of 'Vac banned for no reason!' on the Steam VAC forums which a lot of the time gets proven false very quickly.

Yes, VAC makes mistakes. Once in a blue moon, and they tend to get reversed fairly fast when they happen (since those mistakes rarely only affect a couple of people). Most of the time, it does exactly what it's supposed to. Detect specific known cheat signatures/hooks running on your computer while you're on a VAC enabled server, and banning you for it at some random point after it caught you.

What does happen all the time is VAC banned cheaters pretending to be clueless about why they got banned.
I never said "No reason!" Infact i found a wierd discrepancy, my "install script" file did not match the exe in which they were updated. My point is that i did not cheat, and i do not ever want to have an unfair advantage over gamers such as yourself, cheaters annoy me too...
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zeogold: You do realize this game is available on Steam, right? Is this number taking into account the Steam purchases as well, or just the non-DRM ones?
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Andrey82: But at the same moment was available DRM-free version and this hasn't affected sales or privacy of legal owners, right?
I'm not questioning how well stuff sells on DRM-free services, I'm questioning how well they sell on DRM-free services in comparison to DRM ones.
And on top of that, the Witcher games can arguably be considered outliers in the data because the games were made by a company with a DRM-free stance, meaning that of course a good deal of them, possibly even a majority, are going to be bought on DRM-free platforms.
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zeogold: Yeah, but the question is if they'll WORK.
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Andrey82: They are. As last resort, there is always cheap Steam activation about 1.5-2$ for single play.
Even if it works, the frequency is no doubt less, and the likeliness of getting caught is higher, I imagine. It's still got to be easier to accomplish it without DRM than it is WITH DRM.
Post edited June 25, 2016 by zeogold
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MacArthur: That's a new kind of trolling from you TinyE. The am0k and phe0ce of this board must have passed you by.
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zeogold: How is he trolling? amok and Pheace weren't being Steam fanboys, they're being like me: Pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of both stores.
In fact, I'd have to say that if you think one guy pointing out a weakness of GOG and another guy debunking a supposed weakness of Steam are being Steam fanboys, then you're actually the GOG fanboy since you dislike seeing anything negative said about GOG or anything positive said about Steam, no matter how weak these positives or negatives are.

I hope this doesn't come across as rude or accusatory, but seriously, if you can't take something nice said about a place you hate or something bad said about a place you love, don't enter a discussion. You only ever get the spread of ideas through dissenting opinions.

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TheOneRaziel: As long as that idea lives and guides their decisions in the future, we need not worry about Steam.
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zeogold: This is kind of what people are currently worried about, though. GOG is a company like any other, and they're trying to make money. A lot of forumites here question how far they'll go to do so.
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TheOneRaziel: As long as we stand together as a community and advocate DRM-free for what it is, GOG will continue to grow.
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zeogold: Again, I hate to be the pessimist, but realistically, I really, really doubt that.
Oh common. A guy come here with this :
"I used to be a Steam fan but now im trying to stay away from it"
Some steamers (I say steamers, not troll) come here all fanboying that no, no steam never have been abusive, no, no... This is all wrong, hear me !
Do I need to come around the net with all cases related to steam heavy handed moderation or ban abuse ?
I don't care if he is saying the truth or not. I don't know anything about that sh*t, and the dude being most likely a AAA fanboy, he has very little chance of coming back here, this is totally moot.
And discussing the merits of both stores ? Related to multiplayer games ? On GOG ?
LOL
I think it's possible. The guys who head up CDP are brilliant entrepreneurs. It might take 5-7 years but digital distribution is young. Look how much Steam itself has changed over the years.