Missing DLC and updates are certainly issues that are regularly complained about with games that use Denuvo. Not so much with other games for obvious reasons.

Don't know about Denuvo. Is that a torrent site?

Yep, that's a joke.

I find it interesting to note that some of the largest and most anticipated RPGS to be released in the coming year, Cyberpunk 2077 and VTMB 2, are not caring one iota about piracy. They will both be released right here on GOG and are hyped to the max. I think that is the way it should be. Getting people excited to buy on it's own merits on fun, snazz and brilliance.

Besides, ironically, unless you are dead-broke at present, legally purchasing your game is actually more effort-effective than pirating. One advantage of legit buying is that your games are stored for you. You don't have to worry about keeping your games on your own, where you'd want to scream if your whole entire drive full of games is fried.

I ordered the "DISC" Version of it, since the CE is the disk Version.... i ll not reinstall it
for obvious reason but as far as i recall, it did INSTALL without Galaxy or even forcing
you to use Galaxy. First start of the game however did connect to CDPR for the
patch, but it was not a DRM day 1 Patch, Witcher has no DRM it is yours.

And since there was a preload of W3 that is what was shipped with the DVDs i think.
You also could manually download the day 1 patch and install it on your OFFLINE
RIG if you want that. Quite the difference between GoG and STEAM i do say.

You guys may test it. It ll be the same with CP2077 the game will be yours and yours alone.
Install it, cut PHYSICALLY your I Net connection, shut down galaxy and test if the game
will start without both, i am quite sure it ll, just like witcher starts without both.

THAT is what DRM free is about, no client no i net needed to run it. Which is the thing
that counts in the end.

Run/Install, some people will argue about that. Why should someone who bought a CD have to connect to the internet, even once, to get a working game? I've been here for a decade now. Things like this used to be called DRM quite vehemently.

I'll easily agree that after that it's perfectly DRM-Free and, as far as I remember, it was possible to install Galaxy, though I'm fairly sure if you just followed the standard autorun installing process with Galaxy was the only option being offered, despite it being possible to do without if you just went straight into the disk. An average user wouldn't have known that was an option.

True enough, but he compared it to STEAM non option DRM client far to easy ^^.
Try the complete offline installation with your usual STEAM game, not a chance.

But yeah the usual user would just click through it, thats why i explicit explained
how it really is. With W3 and will be with CP2077

Somebody I know goes into the related threads on those sites and points out that the files there are not up to date and that they can buy things from his site directly and not have to worry about it.

Some of the folks there get annoyed, but it's worked out pretty well for him in terms of those files becoming free advertising. Just putting a face to those files tends to encourage some folks to buy legitimately.

1-2. This is all true.

3. To be fair A BIT of profit to keep the site/server paid for and running is fine imo...like site ads/etc.

They save money/time spent on going after such people which usually doesn't stop all/most of them anyways, for starters.

This, sdaly.
And all the big time defneders of Piracy arguments is mostly bullshit. It boils down to "I want to play a game but I don't want to pay for it". Anybody who thinks that a majority of game pirates are downloading games they already own legally are deluded themselves.
No friend of the big gaming companies, and I don't like most froms of DRM, but two wrongs do not make a right.
I keep on hoping someonw some up with something that will allow a game owner to 100% own his game but sitl lallow the game companies to fight illegal distribution of their games, but that seems a long way in the future.

Yawn.

You do realise that companies don't even like people "borrowing" said game from a friend? you know like an actual disc? You do realise that rather than make all games you've actually purchased on disc for a previous console playable on the next gen, they would rather charge you again to play them on said machine, via some awfully done emulation?

Companies would rather say fuck you and have you keep on paying and paying for games that you own, that you would simply like to play again.

If they could they would fine all the dev's of the emulators out there just so they could charge people to play their old games on a new console and prevent any emulators being made.

Some of those people out their are actually do alot of decent gamers a favour, thanks to them the games i own i can still play with or without a console, so once that goes kaput i don't have to pay a fortune just to replay the classics i actually still own.



The only bullshit you smell is your own.

If you want to see how the game industry think look at their comments in the inquiry into copyright in the USA they basically objected to museums being able to setup old versions of MMOs cause it could interfere with sales of new games. If the industry could get away with it they would delete a game from your computer the second they put out a new one. Or put another way a subscription service where old games are a separate high cost tier.

Just to clarify the relevancy to the thread my point is that DRM doesn't just seek to stop piracy but to control the user and support the companies effort to profit. So DRM that somehow allows for you to work offline isn't something that is of interest. Piracy is the argument that people are sympathetic to, the argument that is valid, but I don't think its the real goal of the companies.

Bravo.


I recall a good while back, i believe it was the XBox 360, but Sony was also considering it for the Playstation, in that they were going to try prevent players letting their friend borrow games, it got a lot of bad feedback and M$ decided against it.

The fact is, they want to make money, and if they can even by reselling the "fixed" older games that no longer work. Sure it requires time and money to do it, but we have people making Emulators during their own free time to get these working again, but all the companies want to do is cockblock it anyway they can, just so they can make their own half-assed emulator and charge people over and over again to keep them working.

There's a wide gulf between "everything companies do is okay" and "pirate all the stuff!" It's not just the two extremes.