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samuraigaiden: They... don't? Most multiplatform games come to PC either first, simultaneously or as soon as possible. Only some Japanese publishers still focus on consoles over PC outside of specific exclusivity deals and that is probably attributable to a cultural thing above anything else.
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Orkhepaj: gta consolized it was a pc game and now it comes out on console first and maybe years later pc
probably many more like this
and many games are dumbed down to be less complex and easier to control with controllers
When was GTA a PC game? That's news to me. AFAIK the franchise was always console focused.
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samuraigaiden: When was GTA a PC game? That's news to me. AFAIK the franchise was always console focused.
GTA 1 and 2 started on the PC.

Fun Fact - They are both official freeware now from the Rockstar site.

I still play GTA 2 multiplayer with my family.
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Arcadius-8606: Incorrect - That link was posted on reddit awhile back
What's incorrect now? The original source and study? Or where these figures come from?

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Arcadius-8606: and it has a break down of the data which was pulled and it was only the major companies like Steam, Epic, Ubisoft, EA and such. Still looking for it.
So a random guy on reddit paid Newzoo a lot of money and got through the paywall and dug into the report and posted all this on Reddit? kind soul. And it occurs to me what you just listed probably represents the majority of the revenue for PC gaming - Steam alone is 75% of the market...

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Arcadius-8606: Why post a black boxed data link when we can't verify, though?
It's competitive data - they won't release their company's methodology and the details of the report, as they sell that to interested firms. It's not science - there is little transparency.

But once again, my point is irrelevant whether the exact figure is 23% market share or 28% for PC gaming. What matters is that console gaming is incredibly lucrative, more is spent per capita, and major titles routinely fare better there than on PC despite the differences in userbase and shortly after release instead of with the long-tail. THis is why they are focused on.

I'm not sure I'm getting through with these points, but feel free to argue the exact numbers once again for whatever reason that to me seems of little importance in this discussion.

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Arcadius-8606: That link you posted seems to be damaged.
I hate the GOG forums platform :) try searching for 'newzoo videogames 2020' or similar. My original link from 'wepc' reported on that and other studies and collected them in one place. But the original figures for games revenue and market share come from the Newzoo analytical study, with the highlights in my broken link or your search results.
^ Getting lost in the weeds.

My point is that number of these stats DON'T give us a full picture of what is really popular. Here is a link pre-pandemic

https://www.pcgamesn.com/pc-vs-console-sales

Even in the article there is no way of knowing what's what due to all the numbers being hidden. With the link you posted they are not even showing sources in terms of sales from each DD or each gaming method for computer users.
Post edited February 08, 2021 by Arcadius-8606
When will you people actually start asking questions directly towards the actual OP who has been trolling these boards for months?

Please look at what you are posting based on the premise of the original post.

Seldom is anything ever forthcoming from the troll. Longstanding users have been moderated for even saying the continual barrage of trolling is an issue.
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lazydog: When will you people actually start asking questions directly towards the actual OP who has been trolling these boards for months?

Please look at what you are posting based on the premise of the original post.

Seldom is anything ever forthcoming from the troll. Longstanding users have been moderated for even saying the continual barrage of trolling is an issue.
Hey


I do agree with you that perhaps i thought wrong. Many pc gaming is more popular.



However, i still think that for many people the idea of PC gaming remains something obscure and incredulous.
few reasons

PC can be expensive
it takes a lot of space and not really suited for a living room
sometimes people just wanna press the power button and play
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Arcadius-8606: My point is that number of these stats give us a full picture of what is really popular.
I don't think we're communicating. Like, at all.

I don't know what your point is anymore or how it detracts from what I'm saying. I could repeat my points again (fourth time's a charm, eh?), but somehow I don't see it making a big difference.

So to save time for both of us, I think I'll just agree to disagree with...whatever it is you're trying to make a point out of.

And move on, to play some games with my limited time.

PS. People, please stop bullying OP.
Post edited February 08, 2021 by rojimboo
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rojimboo: Yada.
Oh I had a typo.
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Abishia: PC can be expensive
and PC games are much, much cheaper than same exact thing for consoles (unless you buy them at release). So in the end, you don't actually save any money, in fact, probably lose a whole bunch on consoles.
Post edited February 08, 2021 by anzial
Game development has many factors.
One of them, no doubt the biggest, is funding.
Funding often dictates everything else, including what has priority due to profits. This is why so often, Linux misses out, and why the console market generally comes first. And don't forget, when coding for a stable device like a console that has several years of life generally, testing and knowing what is needed in advance is easier ... goals are easier ... there are different mindsets at play.
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Timboli: when coding for a stable device like a console that has several years of life generally, testing and knowing what is needed in advance is easier ... goals are easier ...
Exactomundo. Console games are cheaper to make but expensive for consumers. That's because the whole system is essentially a monopoly for the gaming system creator, MS and Sony respectively, that's why they sell consoles at a loss but make billions from selling games on their systems.
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Abishia: PC can be expensive
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anzial: and PC games are much, much cheaper than same exact thing for consoles (unless you buy them at release). So in the end, you don't actually save any money, in fact, probably lose a whole bunch on consoles.
you would need to buy a real lot of games if you wanna have that advantage.
you need at least +100 games to gain a advantage. (at a price of 30$ or less)
you likely at least 1600 a 2000$ more compare to a console 1.6K/30=53 games at least then you need to calculate the amount of games you have bought compare to Console so 100+ is your advantage point when it start to pay out.

so that argument is really not really solid in fact it works against the odds of PC
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anzial: and PC games are much, much cheaper than same exact thing for consoles (unless you buy them at release). So in the end, you don't actually save any money, in fact, probably lose a whole bunch on consoles.
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Abishia: you would need to buy a real lot of games if you wanna have that advantage.
you need at least +100 games to gain a advantage. (at a price of 30$ or less)
you likely at least 1600 a 2000$ more compare to a console 1.6K/30=53 games at least then you need to calculate the amount of games you have bought compare to Console so 100+ is your advantage point when it start to pay out.

so that argument is really not really solid in fact it works against the odds of PC
PC gaming is way cheaper. You can play current gen games on a 100 dollar PC (720p, 30fps, everything on low, just like a console!).

There is no 100 dollar current gen console.
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Abishia: you need at least +100 games to gain a advantage. (at a price of 30$ or less)
since when the games are $30 a piece? on consoles, no less. The average price these days is twice that, so all you math is really, really wrong. Not to mention, PC games can cost pennies, if not free, if you wait it out. When was the last time you got a free game on a console? On PCs, it's happening every week (sometimes every day). Take that into your account, why don't you. Jeez, some people just don't get math lol
Post edited February 08, 2021 by anzial